Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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sullyinMT

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Not to mention that could justify moving the goal posts
It’s not even that the goal posts move. If this kind of talk is overly pervasive, enough of the masses won’t even bother trying to get vaccinated because in their eyes (maybe rightfully so), there would be no point. No return to youth or pro sports (in person anyway). No meaningful bar scene. No movies or theaters. Without a real goal to move toward because it’s not good enough, people won’t go through the effort.
 

danlb_2000

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but one of the reasons rollout is so slow is because states are worried they dont have enough so the restrictions on who gets it are suppperrr stringent. If they find out that they will get more, it may loosen restrictions up.

But the numbers don't back that up. A lot of states have received far more doses then they have administered. I could see being concerned if a state was quickly using everything they had received, but that's not happening.
 

sullyinMT

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but one of the reasons rollout is so slow is because states are worried they dont have enough so the restrictions on who gets it are suppperrr stringent. If they find out that they will get more, it may loosen restrictions up.
Yes clarity has been an early issue. Early on, while all levels worked to sort out the unquestionably difficult logistics, it’s passable but frustrating.
At this point the lack of clarity could be seen as a way to be domineering and obtuse. Like promising your sweet dog a treat for good behavior, but then making her guess which hand it’s in. And then walking away with the bacon in your own mouth.
 

Disney Experience

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but one of the reasons rollout is so slow is because states are worried they dont have enough so the restrictions on who gets it are suppperrr stringent. If they find out that they will get more, it may loosen restrictions up.
At least here in Florida demand even with the current restrictions on who can be vaccinated outstrips supply. If other states have more supply than demand they should open it up.

Someone I know who is working and is 85 has been trying hard to get a reservations ever since he knew of them. County health department (Brevard) where he lives is booked up before he could get a reservation.

Health First is now vaccinating elderly, but booked up before he could get on the list.

He is on a phone callback for Omnihealth (for the 2000 initial shots they already have a list of 10000).

He has spent a lot of time trying to get a reservation.

So demand in central Florida is outstripping supply. But they are trying to increase supply.
 
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danlb_2000

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At least here in Florida demand even with the current restrictions on who can be vaccinated outstrips supply. If other states have more supply than demand they should open it up.

Someone I know who is working and is 85 has been trying hard to get a reservations ever since he knew of them. County health department (Brevard) where he lives is booked up before he could get a reservation.

Health First is now vaccinating elderly, but booked up before he could get on the list.

He is on a phone callback for Omnihealth (for the 2000 initial shots they already have a list of 10000).

He has spent a lot of time trying to get a reservation.

So demand in central Florida is outstripping supply. But they are trying to increase supply.

Must be something off with the CDC data since it says Florida has only administed 30% of the vaccine they have recieved.
 

Disney Experience

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Must be something off with the CDC data since it says Florida has only administered 30% of the vaccine they have received.
Administered is the key. The problem is they are not getting the shot into the arms. There is a big supply of arms at the moment and since they have only gotten 30% into the arms, the supply of shots exists at the state level. It is the last step of getting it into the arms that has not efficiently happened...yet.
 

_caleb

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At least here in Florida demand even with the current restrictions on who can be vaccinated outstrips supply. If other states have more supply than demand they should open it up.

Someone I know who is working and is 85 has been trying hard to get a reservations ever since he knew of them. County health department (Brevard) where he lives is booked up before he could get a reservation.

Health First is now vaccinating elderly, but booked up before he could get on the list.

He is on a phone callback for Omnihealth (for the 2000 initial shots they already have a list of 10000).

He has spent a lot of time trying to get a reservation.

So demand in central Florida is outstripping supply. But they are trying to increase supply.
Seems like the problem is neither demand (people who want to get the vaccine) nor supply (available doses of the vaccine), but rather the infrastructure and logistics of administration—appointments, information about locations and phased groups, etc.

EDIT: @Disney Experience beat me to post and said it better.
 

Disney Experience

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De-blasio has a point: (I am not that much a fan of him, but he raises logical issues with the NY state rules relative to what is happening at the moment in his city)
While de Blasio agrees that front-line workers are important, he says the pickup from those in that group has been limited. He said that in a total pool of 100,000 with 54,000 doses available, only 16,000 have been administered.

New York's health care workers are listed under the "1A" group, which will receive vaccines first before those in "1B," or essential workers and those over 75 years old, can start being inoculated. Essential workers include first responders, teachers and public transportation workers, making up about 6 million people.

De Blasio argued that if those in 1A are choosing not to get the vaccine, then eligibility should be expanded to 1B -- which would allow the city to administer vaccines to the over-75s. He has also sought to begin vaccinating NYPD officers, but that too has been shut down by Albany.

 

Sirwalterraleigh

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Administered is the key. The problem is they are not getting the shot into the arms. There is a big supply of arms at the moment and since they have only gotten 30% into the arms, the supply of shots exists at the state level. It is the last step of getting it into the arms that has not efficiently happened...yet.

And this is where all the states are mostly equal in the struggle.

The problem is after a year of destroyed tax revenues and additional labor costs...the state’s don’t have the money to supply and coordinate the programs. It has been warned since the spring.

Would have been nice to get federal help on that, eh?

What happened?
 

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Sirwalterraleigh

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De-blasio has a point: (I am not that much a fan of him, but he raises logical issues with the NY state rules relative to what is happening at the moment in his city)



Those two need to get along better...no denying that
 

Sirwalterraleigh

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Disney Experience

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And this is where all the states are mostly equal in the struggle.

The problem is after a year of destroyed tax revenues and additional labor costs...the state’s don’t have the money to supply and coordinate the programs. It has been warned since the spring.

Would have been nice to get federal help on that, eh?

What happened?
States did get some money. Was it enough (Probably not). Florida got over 6 million from the Federal government for planning. More would have been better if it had the right "strings" to it. (i.e. you do not want a giant slush fund that states use to bail out past non-covid related problems).

 

Sirwalterraleigh

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States did get some money. Was it enough (Probably not). Florida got over 6 million from the Federal government for planning. More would have been better if it had the right "strings" to it. (i.e. you do not want a giant slush fund that states use to bail out past non-covid related problems).

The estimated cost was $5-8 billion dollars

They got $500,000,000 earmarked 10 months ago...

(Numbers sure are a B...aren’t they?)
 
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