Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[GoofGoof]

Sorry, you’re not allowed to be reasonable and have a perspective like.
Joking aside. Worrying about things that may never happen is my best character flaw- er I mean personality trait. Let me have it.

I just think it’s a bit simplistic to point fingers right now and automatically say some are “selfish” for wanting to do normal things. I would like to think I have approached a sensible middle ground in my day to day life: I still see a few friends, I generally aim for outdoor activities, and I wear a mask at grocery stores, etc or public places where I don’t know who the people are and lord knows if they even wash their hands no bars right now for me. Done indoor dining a cpl times but that made me uncomfortable and am minimizing that. No big groups for me. And I will not visit any friends or family who are older and/or facing health complications. So I am assuming risk, but also protecting others to the best of my ability. But in three years if we’re in the same boat, am I magically “selfish” for wanting to completely resume normal life? It’s a grey line, not right now, because of goals are to keep the health care system afloat, and protect others who aren’t as fortunate as me to be in good health. Until the vaccine...but if it doesn’t work effectively we then have to find a way to not point fingers and find an acceptable path forward. That’s all I am saying

I hear what you are saying, but in three years many things will be different and it’s impossible today to predict that. My only point is that should have zero impact on how we think today. It’s flawed logic to say that in 3 years if the virus is still around we can’t still be doing this stuff so we should stop doing it today. For now we go with what we know and as more knowledge is gained and treatments or vaccines are developed or improved we will change our behavior.

On the selfish topic, I don’t get what that’s all about. Do what you do and who cares what other people think (by you I mean someone in general, not you specifically). If for example someone wants to go to parties and bars and not wear a mask I can call them selfish, but that changes nothing in their behavior. If they don’t think what they are doing is wrong then why worry what other people say. I do think in some cases people know they shouldn’t be doing certain things and get sensitive about being called out for that. That I can understand.

 

[FeelsSoGoodToBeBad]

You do realize this is going on widespread?

I have stated before and will again.... I know of at least three people who were "presumptive positive" early on and had respiratory symptoms so severe their doctors sent them to the hospital only for the HOSPITAL to TURN THEM AWAY because they were not bad enough to need admission. Hospital tells them to follow up with docs (who sent them to the hospital to begin with) and the docs tell them they can't do anything for them because they can't prescribe the drugs needed to improve their conditions at that point. THEY ARE NOT MAKING MORE MONEY OFF COVID!

Sweet cheezits! The amount of mental gymnastics people have to perform to insist they don't need to wear masks and only those "at risk" need to stay home, but then refusing to acknowledge that those same "at risk" people don't live in their own isolated worlds, PLUS refusing to concede that some people who are "at risk" NEED to work for a myriad of reasons, but still maintaining that the people complaining about a piece of CLOTH (usually worn for a relatively brief time) are simply baffling. Then those same people are saying if COVID is that bad we should do a national lockdown, but get their panties in a wad because doing so would kill small businesses (and it would) and then STILL refuse to see that their actions are perpetuating the spread of the illness.... *uhg*

Pre-symptomatic and asymptomatic spread is a thing. And so is ignorant spread, where people insist it's just "allergies" or whatever, then go and do some of their normal stuff and end up infecting who knows how many people! We have 25 students and teachers quarantined at my son's school right now because of ignorant spread.

I just can't with these people any more. I wish you luck with your "after the election this will all go away" nonsense. Europe and much of the rest of the world would love to know how that woo-woo works.

 

[_caleb]

I agree there, but again, how long does that cycle contribute if the vaccine isn’t largely effective? That’s the problem. The public will eventually be sick of that after a couple years. Will people who took precautions for two years but finally get sick of the lather rinse repeat suddenly be labeled “selfish” for no longer wanting to go through this and get back to a relatively normal way of life?

I can see that being a valid concern, it’s difficult when we don’t know how long this thing is going to last. But I do think it’s the way forward; regional lockdowns as numbers rise, relaxing of restrictions as the numbers rise. Will this the be new normal for years? Maybe, but I think vaccines will help disrupt that cycle and hopefully make lockdowns short, few, and far between.

Also, getting the public to comply for long periods of time is already proving to be difficult. But I think reopening could serve as incentive to cooperate.

 

[GoofGoof]

I can see that being a valid concern, it’s difficult when we don’t know how long this thing is going to last. But I do think it’s the way forward; regional lockdowns as numbers rise, relaxing of restrictions as the numbers rise. Will this the be new normal for years? Maybe, but I think vaccines will help disrupt that cycle and hopefully make lockdowns short, few, and far between.

Also, getting the public to comply for long periods of time is already proving to be difficult. But I think reopening could serve as incentive to cooperate.

I think even in 6-7 months we’ve seen a lot of change in what Covid restrictions are and we have also seen businesses and people start to adapt. When areas are starting to pull back it’s not the blunt stay at home orders but more nuanced restrictions on activities known to be higher risk. I hate to think about what could be if a vaccine doesn’t work out but there’s so many ways things could go. We could improve treatments, with more knowledge we can limit less activities since we will know what the true problems are. We also can adapt. If for example we determine indoor dining is definitely an issue and Covid isn’t going away we don’t have to close all restaurants, we can develop better ventilation systems or some other technologies to help. We could reconfigure concert venues and even pro sports to allow more people in a crowd but with built in distancing. Stuff like that that takes longer lead time to setup. Not many people are thinking about doing that stuff today because we have a short term plan which is the path to the vaccine. If that plan fails and the vaccine doesn’t work then we pivot to plans B and C and so on.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I also have a problem with an uninformed public, who don’t have the information they need to know whether a trip to WDW puts them at greater risk, less risk, or about the same amount of risk as a trip to the grocery store.

That’s where I’m at, and I still get instacart delivered so I’m not even going grocery shopping! If I felt confident that traveling by air was safe, I would consider Vegas when shows open up this month, or Colorado, and yes Disney when the voices start up again.

But I don’t feel overly confident with anything at this point!

 

[DisneyCane]

That’s where I’m at, and I still get instacart delivered so I’m not even going grocery shopping! If I felt confident that traveling by air was safe, I would consider Vegas when shows open up this month, or Colorado, and yes Disney when the voices start up again.

But I don’t feel overly confident with anything at this point!


You don’t think it’s possible the heart attack was a result of Covid complications?

Are you in a high risk group for COVID? If so, by all means be careful. If not, you've got to live your life. COVID will be around for a long time even with a vaccine. We have one life to live. Don't waste it if you aren't high risk. Just some unsolicited advice.

 

[LittleBuford]

It’s an absolute joke. Close the things that aren’t bad (hospitality, 3% infection) and keep open the things spreading it (education, 45%)

Not to mention most office workers have been working from home since March. They’ve closed the easy targets but kept open those inconvenient or costly to close.

For the lockdown to work, everything that isn’t essential should be closed, including hospitality. People who want to have a pub lunch or go on holiday are fooling themselves if they think such activities aren’t contributing to the problem.

 

[seascape]

We can thank our current admin in DC for that. It's part of the federal stimulus package aka CARES act that Trump signed into law in March. But some may have a short term memory.

You mean the CARES act in which Nancy Pelosi got most of what she wanted.

 

[Mr Ferret 75]

For the lockdown to work, everything that isn’t essential should be closed, including hospitality. People who want to have a pub lunch or go on holiday are fooling themselves if they think such activities aren’t contributing to the problem.

We had this sort of stringent lockdown earlier in the year. Due to that (and strict border controls) we have managed to have a relatively normal summer. Even now we are only at 11 cases and have no on island restrictions.
Also Australia seems to be doing well with its cases.

 

[Lilofan]

You mean the CARES act in which Nancy Pelosi got most of what she wanted.

Fact - The guy that lives in 1600 still signed off on it.

 

[JoeCamel]

Fact - The guy that lives in 1600 still signed off on it.

So did Mitch

 

[Lilofan]

So did Mitch

Yes, ol' Mitch touted it pretty heavily but it's easier for some to blame the other side.

 

[marni1971]

For the lockdown to work, everything that isn’t essential should be closed, including hospitality. People who want to have a pub lunch or go on holiday are fooling themselves if they think such activities aren’t contributing to the problem.

For it to work there needs to be a repeat of the spring. Not keeping things open that may be expensive or inconvenient to close.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Because covid is not covered by insurance.

It's hard to judge what you're most ignorant of: science, medicine, law, or insurance...

Does your health insurance cover you for COVID-19?

Testing is free, but the cost of treating the coronavirus disease may depend on your insurer. Here's what to know.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[MisterPenguin]

I’m not ignorant, it’s that I don’t agree...there’s a difference.

Disagreeing with facts is the very definition of ignorance.

 

[lazyboy97o]

For the record I think COVID is worse then the flu. The only part of the posters argument I see merit to is IF the vaccine is say, only 40 percent effective like the flu shot, then at what point do we stop wearing masks? Social distancing? No large concerts, events, etc?

Two years? 3? 4? Or when does it become like “flu season” and it’s “stay home when your sick and get your covid shot” but back to business as usual? Will someone be selfish then for no longer social distancing or choosing to “assume risk” and go to indoor dining and bars, etc? It’s a tough moral call.

I can’t say. I do t know enough but I would peg identification and management as the two big criteria. When we can better identify who is sick so they know to stay home or can bear some responsibility and hospitals have sufficient capacity that they’re not operating at surge levels for weeks during even their slowest times.

 

[MisterPenguin]

While it's great that FL's death rate is going down...

I don't know how long that can be the case with positivity and cases and hospitalizations starting to trend up...

 

[MisterPenguin]

The U.S.'s stats certainly are exceptional...

 

[Disstevefan1]

What? No, I didn’t say “many folks contracted COVID from the parks/Disney Springs. I said:

You can see the difference, can’t you? I asked how many people have contracted COVID at the parks/Disney Springs, and you deliberately misrepresented my question as a statement. That‘s not nice.

While we’re asking for source links, can you link to a source that provides the number of people who have been exposed or infected on Disney property?

I honestly mis read your post, sorry. I was honestly asking somebody, anybody to provide data that shows just how many folks caught COVID in the disney parks or Disney Springs because I had not seen any such data.

 

[_caleb]

I honestly mis read your post, sorry. I was honestly asking somebody, anybody to provide data that shows just how many folks caught COVID in the disney parks or Disney Springs because I had not seen any such data.

That‘s ok. Thanks for the apology. I misread posts and misjudge intent pretty frequently myself.

The point remains that no data has been released about the number of people (CMs or guests) who may have been exposed or infected at a Disney park.

I know it would be difficult to definitively identify Disney properties as the source of an outbreak, but as far as we’re aware, no attempt has been made. Disney and the state government have no interest in tracking/reporting this information.