I agree there, but again, how long does that cycle contribute if the vaccine isn’t largely effective? That’s the problem. The public will eventually be sick of that after a couple years. Will people who took precautions for two years but finally get sick of the lather rinse repeat suddenly be labeled “selfish” for no longer wanting to go through this and get back to a relatively normal way of life?
I hear what you are saying, but in three years many things will be different and it’s impossible today to predict that. My only point is that should have zero impact on how we think today. It’s flawed logic to say that in 3 years if the virus is still around we can’t still be doing this stuff so we should stop doing it today. For now we go with what we know and as more knowledge is gained and treatments or vaccines are developed or improved we will change our behavior.Sorry, you’re not allowed to be reasonable and have a perspective like.
Joking aside. Worrying about things that may never happen is my best character flaw- er I mean personality trait. Let me have it.
I just think it’s a bit simplistic to point fingers right now and automatically say some are “selfish” for wanting to do normal things. I would like to think I have approached a sensible middle ground in my day to day life: I still see a few friends, I generally aim for outdoor activities, and I wear a mask at grocery stores, etc or public places where I don’t know who the people are and lord knows if they even wash their handsno bars right now for me. Done indoor dining a cpl times but that made me uncomfortable and am minimizing that. No big groups for me. And I will not visit any friends or family who are older and/or facing health complications. So I am assuming risk, but also protecting others to the best of my ability. But in three years if we’re in the same boat, am I magically “selfish” for wanting to completely resume normal life? It’s a grey line, not right now, because of goals are to keep the health care system afloat, and protect others who aren’t as fortunate as me to be in good health. Until the vaccine...but if it doesn’t work effectively we then have to find a way to not point fingers and find an acceptable path forward. That’s all I am saying
I have stated before and will again.... I know of at least three people who were "presumptive positive" early on and had respiratory symptoms so severe their doctors sent them to the hospital only for the HOSPITAL to TURN THEM AWAY because they were not bad enough to need admission. Hospital tells them to follow up with docs (who sent them to the hospital to begin with) and the docs tell them they can't do anything for them because they can't prescribe the drugs needed to improve their conditions at that point. THEY ARE NOT MAKING MORE MONEY OFF COVID!
I can see that being a valid concern, it’s difficult when we don’t know how long this thing is going to last. But I do think it’s the way forward; regional lockdowns as numbers rise, relaxing of restrictions as the numbers rise. Will this the be new normal for years? Maybe, but I think vaccines will help disrupt that cycle and hopefully make lockdowns short, few, and far between.
I think even in 6-7 months we’ve seen a lot of change in what Covid restrictions are and we have also seen businesses and people start to adapt. When areas are starting to pull back it’s not the blunt stay at home orders but more nuanced restrictions on activities known to be higher risk. I hate to think about what could be if a vaccine doesn’t work out but there’s so many ways things could go. We could improve treatments, with more knowledge we can limit less activities since we will know what the true problems are. We also can adapt. If for example we determine indoor dining is definitely an issue and Covid isn’t going away we don’t have to close all restaurants, we can develop better ventilation systems or some other technologies to help. We could reconfigure concert venues and even pro sports to allow more people in a crowd but with built in distancing. Stuff like that that takes longer lead time to setup. Not many people are thinking about doing that stuff today because we have a short term plan which is the path to the vaccine. If that plan fails and the vaccine doesn’t work then we pivot to plans B and C and so on.
That’s where I’m at, and I still get instacart delivered so I’m not even going grocery shopping! If I felt confident that traveling by air was safe, I would consider Vegas when shows open up this month, or Colorado, and yes Disney when the voices start up again.
Are you in a high risk group for COVID? If so, by all means be careful. If not, you've got to live your life. COVID will be around for a long time even with a vaccine. We have one life to live. Don't waste it if you aren't high risk. Just some unsolicited advice.
For the lockdown to work, everything that isn’t essential should be closed, including hospitality. People who want to have a pub lunch or go on holiday are fooling themselves if they think such activities aren’t contributing to the problem.
You mean the CARES act in which Nancy Pelosi got most of what she wanted.
We had this sort of stringent lockdown earlier in the year. Due to that (and strict border controls) we have managed to have a relatively normal summer. Even now we are only at 11 cases and have no on island restrictions.
Fact - The guy that lives in 1600 still signed off on it.
So did Mitch
Yes, ol' Mitch touted it pretty heavily but it's easier for some to blame the other side.
For it to work there needs to be a repeat of the spring. Not keeping things open that may be expensive or inconvenient to close.
It's hard to judge what you're most ignorant of: science, medicine, law, or insurance...
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Disagreeing with facts is the very definition of ignorance.
I can’t say. I do t know enough but I would peg identification and management as the two big criteria. When we can better identify who is sick so they know to stay home or can bear some responsibility and hospitals have sufficient capacity that they’re not operating at surge levels for weeks during even their slowest times.
