Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[_caleb]

While I agree, the state and local government would not want to look, but you would think the mainstream media would want to investigate. Maybe they did and its not actually possible, or there is nothing newsworthy to report.

In general, I think contact tracing is so expensive and difficult and unless you can return real accurate data really fast, all the work to get the data is useless. "Accurate data" I laugh as I write this, we have seen how bad all this data has been over time.

The media are investigating, but the information is difficult to come by. Disney's only response has been:

“The data shows that we opened responsibly,” Dr. Pamela Hymel, chief medical officer for Walt Disney Parks and Resorts, said by phone. “We didn’t cause a surge.”

But without any actual numbers (more specific than what the state is reporting), we just don't know that's true. And nobody is tracking exposures/infections across state lines.

Contact tracing is necessary for public health during an epidemic. It is a valuable and effective tool that can help locate and contain the virus. Accurate data (and fast) would indeed make contact tracing as valuable as possible. What's making that job so much more difficult are the premature lowering of restrictions and the many people who refuse to follow public health guidelines and insist on "living life" at the risk of endangering others.

 

[marni1971]

Are you in a high risk group for COVID? If so, by all means be careful. If not, you've got to live your life. COVID will be around for a long time even with a vaccine. We have one life to live. Don't waste it if you aren't high risk. Just some unsolicited advice.

Grandma will thank you.
Some more unsolicited advice.

 

[matt9112]

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[GoofGoof]

Your business restrictions make them simply unprofitable...especially in citys where rent is insane. So how do you save those buisness owners? And everything they provide to the community?

You stoped reading before the end of the post so I’ll quote it here:

On the economic front, the vast majority of the economy can function under the scenario laid out above. Maybe not every single business, but the vast majority, so the economy and society don‘t need to grind to a halt. The final step would be to look at the businesses and workers directly harmed by there rules and have the government make them whole. Business owners and also their workers. I’m not saying any of this is easy, but it’s doable if we all bought in.

...and remember the people pushing for no restrictions to keep those businesses open are in favor of protecting the high risk people and the only way to do that is to have the government pay them to stay inside. Given that the high risk people are over half the population it’s much cheaper and logistically easier for the government to make the businesses closed whole vs paying over half the population to stay inside.

 

[_caleb]

Are you in a high risk group for COVID? If so, by all means be careful. If not, you've got to live your life. COVID will be around for a long time even with a vaccine. We have one life to live. Don't waste it if you aren't high risk. Just some unsolicited advice.

This is the most selfish, foolish, and short-sighted response I've seen when it comes to the pandemic. "You've got to live your life!" Is nonsense. We're all living our lives! It's those who insist that "living their lives" means not doing for their part to reduce the spread of the virus that are prolonging the need for restrictions and endangering others.

Are you not able to see that the actions of some have implications for all, or do you just not care?

 

[danlb_2000]

Are you in a high risk group for COVID? If so, by all means be careful. If not, you've got to live your life. COVID will be around for a long time even with a vaccine. We have one life to live. Don't waste it if you aren't high risk. Just some unsolicited advice.

This sounds like great advice, unless you are the at risk person who dies because they got it from a person who just chose to "live their life".

 

[Chip Chipperson]

The media are investigating, but the information is difficult to come by. Disney's only response has been:

“The data shows that we opened responsibly,” Dr. Pamela Hymel, chief medical officer for Walt Disney Parks and Resorts, said by phone. “We didn’t cause a surge.”

But without any actual numbers (more specific than what the state is reporting), we just don't know that's true. And nobody is tracking exposures/infections across state lines.

Contact tracing is necessary for public health during an epidemic. It is a valuable and effective tool that can help locate and contain the virus. Accurate data (and fast) would indeed make contact tracing as valuable as possible. What's making that job so much more difficult are the premature lowering of restrictions and the many people who refuse to follow public health guidelines and insist on "living life" at the risk of endangering others.

Technically speaking, they are correct. They didn't cause a surge in cases as they opened as they 7-day average for cases peaked around July 17 and then started to decline. What we'll never really know, however, is whether the parks reopening prevented that improvement in cases from happening faster. They also had the benefit of opening weeks after Universal, so if reopening theme parks contributed to the increase in cases then Disney was able to prepare for their reopening while letting the increase happen as Universal was welcoming guests.

 

[_caleb]

Technically speaking, they are correct. They didn't cause a surge in cases as they opened as they 7-day average for cases peaked around July 17 and then started to decline. What we'll never really know, however, is whether the parks reopening prevented that improvement in cases from happening faster. They also had the benefit of opening weeks after Universal, so if reopening theme parks contributed to the increase in cases then Disney was able to prepare for their reopening while letting the increase happen as Universal was welcoming guests.

If we're going by technicality, they're still not correct. "We didn't cause a surge" should be "we didn't cause an uptick in statewide numbers that can be definitively attributed to us."

I'm honestly hopeful that there have been very few cases linked to Disney. I think they've done a lot to mitigate the spread, and I hope these things all add up to a relatively safe environment for guests and CMs.

EDIT: Also, great point about the coincidence of reopening around the same time as Universal.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I somewhat agree here, affordable and rapid testing will be key.

Not just testing. My baseless hope is that we will learn that a- and pre-symptomatic spread are not really prevalent, the key symptom was just not identified.

 

[_caleb]

Not just testing. My baseless hope is that we will learn that a- and pre-symptomatic spread are not really prevalent, the key symptom was just not identified.

Perhaps the previously unrecognized key symptoms are "extreme reactions, denial of facts, inability to reason, deliberate misrepresentation of other views."

 

[SamusAranX]

Not just testing. My baseless hope is that we will learn that a- and pre-symptomatic spread are not really prevalent, the key symptom was just not identified.

well I mean, we’ve got a hundred plus years of research behind the flu with a vaccine to boot, and that can still spread asymptomatically, albeit in a shorter window then COVID. We may have to accept post-vaccine that asymptomatic spread happens

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

This sounds like great advice, unless you are the at risk person who dies because they got it from a person who just chose to "live their life".

Honestly...that entire side of the “argument” (it isn’t one...there really is no argument to be made at all) are either too dumb or stubborn to understand this.

Benefit of the doubt is “stubborn”...not that it’s really “better”.

 

[MisterPenguin]

I don't know what Sirwalterraleigh wrote as I ignore him but yeah I'm fine with those willing to take risks going to house parties without masks or social distancing. However those same people should stay away from high risk individuals unless the high risk individual is okay with taking the same risk.

You can't police everyone and you can't force everyone to have your same set of beliefs and values. The young and healthy shouldn't be forced to isolate like those who are high risk. Hell, even high risk people shouldn't be FORCED to isolate. It should be up to the person and then they have to accept any consequences of their behavior.

Yes, we know that's your ill-considered opinion ignoring that there are indeed some young people who do get seriously ill and die and the ones who don't go on to spread the disease to those more prone to get sick and die as if your fantasy world, no young people ever come into contact with older people.

How do we know that's your opinion? Because you keep posting it over and over again without any supporting data that it's wise or based in science or factual reality.

But it's a good thing there are a lot of adults in charge...

Authorities confiscate $10k worth of illegally-sold alcohol at Newark Halloween bash, police say

Four businesses were closed and two event organizers were arrested during Halloween weekend, Newark police said.

www.nj.com

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

well I mean, we’ve got a hundred plus years of research behind the flu with a vaccine to boot, and that can still spread asymptomatically, albeit in a shorter window then COVID. We may have to accept post-vaccine that asymptomatic spread happens

I’m ok with this...after control is achieved as best as possible and medicine has proper time to let science and expertise catch up. It’s still 1,000 deaths a day in the US and could double. That’s not the flu...and it’s not “acceptable”.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Somebody thank tinkdinkage242424 for me? So I can not be bothered with the dumb alerts for “” without any thought or usefulness??

Thank ya much

 

[_caleb]

well I mean, we’ve got a hundred plus years of research behind the flu with a vaccine to boot, and that can still spread asymptomatically, albeit in a shorter window then COVID. We may have to accept post-vaccine that asymptomatic spread happens

And once we get down to more manageable numbers, this might be what we have to live with. But it's a bit early in the match to call this the new normal, isn't it? We're still trying to coax those in denial onto the pitch...

EDIT: @Sirwalterraleigh beat me to the punch in saying basically the same thing.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

And once we get down to more manageable numbers, this might be what we have to live with. But it's a bit early in the match to call this the new normal, isn't it? We're still trying to coax those in denial onto the pitch...

I really think we lost our best opportunity to get the virus "under control"...we were almost there, then some idiot had to get on TV and keep pushing false information, so all the people who were iffy about science to begin with are out celebrating...maskless.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Somebody thank tinkdinkage242424 for me? So I can not be bothered with the dumb alerts for “” without any thought or usefulness??

Thank ya much

Well, I would suggest you block @Tink242424 first, but unfortunately, that doesn't block the alert that comes with the infantile marking of posts with Haha emojis. Can't completely block immaturity.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Well, I would suggest you block @Tink242424 first, but unfortunately, that doesn't block the alert that comes with the infantile marking of posts with Haha emojis. Can't completely block immaturity.

I was hoping that practice wouldn't be allowed here anymore...c'est la vie.

 

[_caleb]

I really think we lost our best opportunity to get the virus "under control"...we were almost there, then some idiot had to get on TV and keep pushing false information, so all the people who were iffy about science to begin with are out celebrating...maskless.

I'm still hopeful. We've certainly made it much harder on ourselves, though, haven't we?

During WW2, Allied countries required blackouts at night in order to make it more difficult for German bombers to locate key targets. The requirement was that every business and household hang pieces of fabric in their windows. Civilian monitors enforced the blackouts. Despite complaints, most everyone complied because it was a relatively simple (albeit inconvenient) way to protect themselves and their neighbors.

There were some unintended side-effects, though. Auto accidents went up (difficult to drive if you can't see!), home accidents increased (people tripping and falling), and crime increased (easier to commit in total darkness).

But blackouts worked. They confused the enemy, bought time, and pulled people together in pursuit of the common good.

Hoping we can do the same with masks, distancing, hand-washing, etc. We're all in this together!