Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[rle4lunch]

So this isn't WDW - but gives a fascinating insight into the work Airlines are doing to maintain their idled aircraft... the same of things going on is just wild... Aircraft are more advanced than ride systems... but gives you some idea about things I'm sure Disney does have to deal with.. like birds, etc

Here’s What You Do With Two-Thirds of the World’s Jets When They Can’t Fly

Just finding space to park can be a problem, and idle planes require a surprising amount of work, from maintaining hydraulics to stopping birds from nesting.

www.bloomberg.com

Indeed. I'm an aerospace maintenance engineering officer in the Navy and this is a big deal for our idle aircraft as well. We're not profit driven though, so our inspection processes have a bit more scrutiny (due to mission set degraders). Nevertheless, aircraft need to continually fly to stay flying safely, if that makes sense.

 

[thomas998]

I think they will follow the pack. If Vegas opens casinos and other major hotel chains open and they all follow similar guidelines the same will happen at WDW. They won’t want to leave any possibility of liability or bad press over safety. If they follow standards everyone else is they can’t be accused of not doing enough. The parks are a different animal. It’s hard to find a comparable on the scale of WDW. In that case they may need to set the agenda for others to follow.

A part of me still thinks there is no real risk of liability when you would have a hard time ever tracing an infection down to a specific place like Disney. The average guest to Disney would have had so many potential infections opportunities before they even got into the park it isn't even funny... the planes and airports are probably going to be much more likely to have infected the person before they even arrive at Disney. Which does bring up one interesting thought, how can airport security gates possibly work with a minimum social distancing space? As I think back to some of the busier times at airport they are often already creating line well beyond the security area... if they have to have 6 feet between passengers they will have to have lines snaking out of the airports and miles down the road.

 

[Kevin_W]

Random idea- but what would they do about the Elevator situation? I know it's minor, but doesn't almost everyone touch elevator buttons at WDW? Especially the Monorail hotels?

My work is still open, and we have elevators (and handrails on stairs, and doorknobs). Those are all cleaned/disinfected more frequently than they used to be. Everyone uses hand sanitizer/washes hand immediately upon entering the building. And I carry around a pocket hand-sanitizer and use it frequently - especially after touching doors/elevators/etc.

I tend to do this at WDW too, but not as faithfully as I do now (and will do in the future!).

 

[Jrb1979]

A part of me still thinks there is no real risk of liability when you would have a hard time ever tracing an infection down to a specific place like Disney. The average guest to Disney would have had so many potential infections opportunities before they even got into the park it isn't even funny... the planes and airports are probably going to be much more likely to have infected the person before they even arrive at Disney. Which does bring up one interesting thought, how can airport security gates possibly work with a minimum social distancing space? As I think back to some of the busier times at airport they are often already creating line well beyond the security area... if they have to have 6 feet between passengers they will have to have lines snaking out of the airports and miles down the road.

In theory it sounds bad but I doubt you will see many people traveling anywhere anytime soon. With all these people that are out of work, traveling will be the last thing people will want to do.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

A part of me still thinks there is no real risk of liability when you would have a hard time ever tracing an infection down to a specific place like Disney. The average guest to Disney would have had so many potential infections opportunities before they even got into the park it isn't even funny... the planes and airports are probably going to be much more likely to have infected the person before they even arrive at Disney. Which does bring up one interesting thought, how can airport security gates possibly work with a minimum social distancing space? As I think back to some of the busier times at airport they are often already creating line well beyond the security area... if they have to have 6 feet between passengers they will have to have lines snaking out of the airports and miles down the road.

You’d have a hard time linking a place that people will go to for seven days without ever leaving the same owners property?

...doesn’t take a lawyer from Yale to come up with that argument.

 

[Longshore_noah]

Contact Tracing.

It seems to me that the only way to really get Disneyworld open and get Guests to safely come back will be to institute a mandatory Contact Tracing system. Going and Apple have already put the tools in place for developers to use their devices for contact Tracing. Just like some Asian states now require it to move about and use public transportation I foresee Disney requiring guests to use something like this. It will obviously not be the only tool used but I think it's a useful measure alongside some of the other feasibly instituted measure such as, temperature checks, masks, some social distancing practices.
PS. Personally I really don't like it as the privacy implications I find quite scary but I suspect if it meant I could some to Disney world again then I would use such an app. I am so thankful that our family got to spend one week their this January as I suspect just like 911 the parks will be forever changed after.

 

[thomas998]

You’d have a hard time linking a place that people will go to for seven days without ever leaving the same owners property?

...doesn’t take a lawyer from Yale to come up with that argument.

except they didn't get to Disney by using a Star Trek transporter and create doubt as to where they were infected.

 

[flynnibus]

Indeed. I'm an aerospace maintenance engineering officer in the Navy and this is a big deal for our idle aircraft as well. We're not profit driven though, so our inspection processes have a bit more scrutiny (due to mission set degraders). Nevertheless, aircraft need to continually fly to stay flying safely, if that makes sense.

Yeah, I'm familiar with the Navy's actions... I'm very well connected into the hornet's test and evaluate program over the last 40 years and have seen that first hand. Of course military jets tech and flying is so much more on the edge of both materials and demands... but it's pretty enlightening I think for many people to see this at scale. The ethiad video is more of a promo... but its pretty good and interesting to see them doubling down during the quiet period (at least as the video would infer..)

 

[surfsupdon]

My work is still open, and we have elevators (and handrails on stairs, and doorknobs). Those are all cleaned/disinfected more frequently than they used to be. Everyone uses hand sanitizer/washes hand immediately upon entering the building. And I carry around a pocket hand-sanitizer and use it frequently - especially after touching doors/elevators/etc.

I tend to do this at WDW too, but not as faithfully as I do now (and will do in the future!).

This. Exactly. The folks living in fear—“What about this, and that, and doorknobs, and queue barriers, and elevator buttons.” I would minimize touching those things anyway. And I would not suck on my fingers or poke and rub my eye after touching.

I’d practice good hygiene, and carry Purell for when needed.

People are doing this now in businesses! At work. At stores. And we are/were in the thick of it.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

except they didn't get to Disney by using a Star Trek transporter and create doubt as to where they were infected.

True...I’m just saying Disney is one of the easier places to make the link. Maybe the easiest outside of a cruise ship...who I think will be limiting their activities to “barnacle maintenance” for quite some time.

 

[rle4lunch]

Yeah, I'm familiar with the Navy's actions... I'm very well connected into the hornet's test and evaluate program over the last 40 years and have seen that first hand. Of course military jets tech and flying is so much more on the edge of both materials and demands... but it's pretty enlightening I think for many people to see this at scale. The ethiad video is more of a promo... but its pretty good and interesting to see them doubling down during the quiet period (at least as the video would infer..)

Yeah, I've worked on both military tactical and commercial derivative aircraft (military cargo/personnel a/c) for the last 23 years in squadrons, wings and program offices. it's good for people to see this stuff so they understand the magnitude of certain things.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

This. Exactly. The folks living in fear—“What about this, and that, and doorknobs, and queue barriers, and elevator buttons.” I would minimize touching those things anyway. And I would not suck on my fingers or poke and rub my eye after touching.

I’d practice good hygiene, and carry Purell for when needed.

People are doing this now in businesses! At work. At stores. And we are/were in the thick of it.

A lot more things to touch in wdw than the doorknobs to the Johnny and the elevators.

I’ve been watching what people there do with their hands for decades anyway...which I never thought would be as “useful” as it is now

 

[Stevie Amsterdam]

Come to Canada. We have Universal health care and our government has been giving out $2000 a month to everyone who is out of work.

Or come to The Netherlands. As a business owner in the hospitality industry I received €4.000,- (USD 4.342,-) from our government with the specific remark to spend it as I deem appropriate. Also, our government pays up to 90% of worker's salaries if the employer keeps them on their payroll, meaning the employer only has to pay 10%. This is a win-win situation for both employers and workers, who keep their jobs while the employer doesn't go bankrupt for paying the salaries.

All workers have paid vacation days and most are kind enough to use them now, since they sit at home because they can't go to work, nor do they have travel plans for the forseeable future. If workers lose their job, they can apply for social security (losely translated, appologies) which is about 70% of your last income / salary. The only time when a worker is not elegible for social security is when the worker quits their job themselves.

On a more personal level, if I as a business owner don't generate any income since March 15 our government will pay the minimum wage standard (again, losely translated, sorry) for 3 months, which I have to pay back if I somehow do make revenue in those months. If I don't, the loan will automatically be turned into a gift. While not being a standard, a lot of building owners are giving a free month of rent to business owners and require the subsequent months to be paid at only 50% for as long as our government asks us to close our businesses. Again this is not by default but my main point is that workers, employees and other parties in the supply chain all chip in and make sacrifices, to deal with this pandemic and the hardship that comes with it.

If you come to The Netherlands, you also don't have to worry about health care - you're covered. As a Dutchie I have been frustrated about the high taxes that I have paid in my life, but I will never do so again because it is the high taxes we paid that can cover us now in these awful times.

 

[Longshore_noah]

I’m thinking the January 1st date may have been just..” Disney won’t open the rest of this year” sort of thing. Of course Christmas period is the most crowded, and the most expensive. Let’s not forget the summer is a big deal also and we have no idea about that yet. They are crowded all year anymore and the need to open is high. Just Brito do it safety, whether that’s means June 1st or pick a month and day.

Lol. Yes it's funny how people jump on stuff like that.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Unemployment and stimulus checks that will extend thru end of 2020? Winning Powerball is more realistic.

I don’t think it will be the end of the year...but I can see long term UE and maybe even stimulus.

1. Remember what year it is.
2. Remember how long the feds paid UE during the last bubble crash? Don’t look it up...it was 99 weeks

 

[Jrb1979]

Lol. Yes it's funny how people jump on stuff like that.

Its the same for people hung up on June 1st opening.

 

[Longshore_noah]

Nonsense. The sacrifices the majority have made has been amazing. What people have gone through trying to keep their families and others safe should be celebrated.

Ultimately, WDW will open when the state government is on board and Disney leadership deems it okay to do so. But it will not be without risk. Otherwise they will never open again.

Yes too often people generalize the actions of a tiny majority. I too see the amazing sacrifices being made by so many of us.

 

[HongKongFooy]

ou’d have a hard time linking a place that people will go to for seven days without ever leaving the same owners property?

But guidelines, as of now, are 14 days to safely presume non infection, no?


So if one flew in and stayed 10 days based on current protocols one could easily pick something up prior to or perhaps after time at WDW.


Or better yet.......fly in to MCO and stay 2 weeks with something hanging in system without symptoms and 17 days later than the 2 week trip test positive.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

But guidelines, as of now, are 14 days to safely presume non infection, no?


So if one flew in and stayed 10 days based on current protocols one could easily pick something up prior to or perhaps after time at WDW.


Or better yet.......fly in to MCO and stay 2 weeks with something hanging in system without symptoms and 17 days later than the 2 week trip test positive.

Could yes...but the American legal system isn’t that discerning...

We tend to travel of our own accord all day...but there is an unusually large number of people who fly in on a weekend and never leave Disney property for a week or more. Same owner/operator.

That is the only place in the US that can claim that. There are no others

 

[baymenxpac]

Just an FYI, the U.S. is a .6% death rate, and going lower and lower as antibody tests are more widely completed. Not discounting death one bit, but our healthcare system is doing just fine, there's always the naysayers and doom and gloomers that think the grass is greener in another country. Every country is different, and with those differences, things need to be ran differently.

the US is at an almost six percent (5.38 percent) mortality rate for documented cases, not 0.6. pretty massive difference.

i'm not saying we won't get to 0.6 percent eventually once widespread antibody tests are rolled out, but as far as current calculations, your confusing your decimal points. FWIW, the lancet published research based on data out of china that said that 0.6 percent is likely the true mortality rate, but that would still be six times deadlier than the flu.

also, yeah, there's probably a good reason "doom and gloomers" might think "the grass is greener" is other countries: