Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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MisterPenguin

MisterPenguin

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21stamps said:
That’s not entirely true. The counties are doing their own orders, not all Floridians free to roam. Palm Beach, Broward, and Dade have curfews and strict rules. I’ve also previously mentioned Monroe County, the Keys kicked out the tourists a week ago, and closed themselves off from everyone- including Floridians who do not live in the Keys.
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My previous posts very clearly acknowledged the patchwork lockdowns in Florida. So, yeah, I know that. I've mentioned it several times. Given how often you post in this thread, it's surprising you keep missing that.

Why are the lockdowns patchwork and not statewide? Because the governor isn't ordering any lockdowns, except for travel from NY. Which is inherently stupid since the contagion is already in the state. And there is very likely a lot of CV present in Florida -- not from people coming in from NY -- but from people coming in all over the world, including world-traveling Floridians.

In the areas were there are no lockdowns (yet), there are people infected. People identified as infected and those infected who don't know it yet. And the ones who don't know it yet are freely roaming about the state in those places that haven't had a local lockdown because there's no state-wide lockdown from the governor who's busy pointing the finger at NY and letting the people of his state head towards an exponential growth of infections.

You do know that the infected in Florida do not all live in the lockdown patches, right? That there are confirmed cases in counties with no lockdown, right? Which means that given the virus's incubation period, the virus is rapidly spreading through community spreading, right? Just like what had taken place in the counties that are now locked down before their lockdown, right?
 
jmp85

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Rich Brownn said:
I'll probably regret saying this, but as society we definitely deem some deaths as an acceptable tradeoff. Something like 40,000* people die in auto accidents in the U.S. every year. I bet we could get that number down into the hundreds if we mandated a 30 MPH speed limit and strictly enforced it. But we won't. We've implicitly accepted a large number of deaths as a trade off for being able to travel faster.
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You can bet if every accident caused two more, and those two caused four more and so on, we'd have banned cars
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Rich Brownn said:
I'll probably regret saying this, but as society we definitely deem some deaths as an acceptable tradeoff. Something like 40,000* people die in auto accidents in the U.S. every year. I bet we could get that number down into the hundreds if we mandated a 30 MPH speed limit and strictly enforced it. But we won't. We've implicitly accepted a large number of deaths as a trade off for being able to travel faster.
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You can bet if every accident caused two more, and those two caused four more and so on, we'd have banned cars
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Your hypothetical scenario doesn't address the point I was making; cars kill people. We have the ability to stop them from killing people, but we do not. Thus, we are implicitly accepting the loss of many lives. We may consider it to be sad and unfortunate, but acceptable none the less.
 
MisterPenguin

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jmp85 said:
Your hypothetical scenario doesn't address the point I was making; cars kill people. We have the ability to stop them from killing people, but we do not. Thus, we are implicitly accepting the loss of many lives. We may consider it to be sad and unfortunate, but acceptable none the less.
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Those deaths have a 'flat curve.' They don't overwhelm our critical care facilities to the point where even more die because we can't care for them all at once.

And if someone is in a car crash and critically hurt, there may not be a critical care unit available for them during this spike in CV cases. And so, traffic fatalities just got worse.
 
LittleBuford

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jmp85 said:
Your hypothetical scenario doesn't address the point I was making; cars kill people. We have the ability to stop them from killing people, but we do not. Thus, we are implicitly accepting the loss of many lives. We may consider it to be sad and unfortunate, but acceptable none the less.
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If I may piggyback with someone else's words:

To fairly compare car accidents to the virus, then, we would need to imagine that the bounds of the problem were similar. We’d need to imagine, for example, that from March 4 to March 14, the number of deaths from car accidents increased by a factor of 10. And that, from March 14 to March 24, it had done so again. Do you think that if the number of vehicle deaths increased 100-fold over two weeks there wouldn’t be a sudden push to limit driving?​
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Imagine that most cars used a shared operating system to control internal systems. Suddenly, one day, something goes haywire with the code and the system starts forcing cars to accelerate uncontrollably. We'd suddenly see a lot of deadly accidents and a lot of close calls.​
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Now imagine if we discovered that the problem could be broadcast over cars’ internal WiFi networks to other vehicles nearby, allowing the problem to jump from one car to the next. We would see places where the problem was worse, like on crowded highways. Very quickly, there would be restrictions about when and where you could drive your car. After all, something in the expected order had changed, and needed to be addressed.​
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Where the coronavirus-to-car analogy really breaks down, though, is that it ignores one of the immediate threats posed by the virus. When we talk about 40,000 deaths in car accidents, we're talking about that happening nationally over the course of a year. When we talk about the deaths from covid-19, we're talking so far about a spike in deaths in certain regions over a short period of time.​
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The scenario we’re in now is that there have been 1,000 serious car accidents on an interstate in a medium-sized city and now the drivers and their passengers are being rushed to several nearby hospitals. The hospitals are triaging patients and figuring out who needs what care, but they are very quickly out of beds in the emergency department and out of doctors to care for the patients. The sheer scale of the problem means that people will die waiting for a bed or waiting to be triaged.​
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Polynesia

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MisterPenguin said:
My previous posts very clearly acknowledged the patchwork lockdowns in Florida. So, yeah, I know that. I've mentioned it several times. Given how often you post in this thread, it's surprising you keep missing that.

Why are the lockdowns patchwork and not statewide? Because the governor isn't ordering any lockdowns, except for travel from NY. Which is inherently stupid since the contagion is already in the state. And there is very likely a lot of CV present in Florida -- not from people coming in from NY -- but from people coming in all over the world, including world-traveling Floridians.

In the areas were there are no lockdowns (yet), there are people infected. People identified as infected and those infected who don't know it yet. And the ones who don't know it yet are freely roaming about the state in those places that haven't had a local lockdown because there's no state-wide lockdown from the governor who's busy pointing the finger at NY and letting the people of his state head towards an exponential growth of infections.

You do know that the infected in Florida do not all live in the lockdown patches, right? That there are confirmed cases in counties with no lockdown, right? Which means that given the virus's incubation period, the virus is rapidly spreading through community spreading, right? Just like what had taken place in the counties that are now locked down before their lockdown, right?
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People in New York should stay home as their state has mandated. It’s not finger pointing at just one state. This shouldn’t be so difficult to comprehend. Stay in your home and follow the guidelines. I’m on lockdown and have no plans to go to other states. It’s common sense to stay out and ride this out.
 
Flugell

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Thank you for the link to the terms and conditions. I feel now that I may have become too overtly critical of the lack of sympathy exhibited towards the homeless and suicidal and thus removed. It is rare that I am moved to that level of vitriol! Thanks for all the advice and welcome.
 
Polynesia

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lilypgirl said:
Yes there are tons articles using info based off of past recessions that say a global economic recession would cause far more deaths than covid -19.
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I believe that. It’s that saying of the cure is worse than the disease. Eventually Disney will have to pull the trigger and open when given the ok by the state and federal government. The world can’t shut down for months on end. I’m still optimistic for a limited opening by mid May
 
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disney4life2008 said:
Sorry may won't happen.
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You know this how??? I think when Gov. Coumo begins to rethink his decision to shut everything down the tide may be turning. This morning I looked and we are still at less then 2% mortality rate. I think an honest discussion needs to be had after these 3 weeks stay at home orders start to end.
 
disney4life2008

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lilypgirl said:
You know this how??? I think when Gov. Coumo begins to rethink his decision to shut everything down the tide may be turning. This morning I looked and we are still at less then 2% mortality rate. I think an honest discussion needs to be had after these 3 weeks stay at home orders start to end.
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LOL are you not connecting that regardless of if we stay at home people still have it. Florida has a stay at home order. We won't see any significant changes until end of May at the earliest. And Disney opening anytime before may 1 is not going to happen, period.
 
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