Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Lilofan]

I'm not advocating for this, but the threat is real. We had sudden closures due to lack of staff. That's tough and harder on families than consistency. We've been warned schools and transportation can be closed on a moment's notice. I worry we'll shut down with zero plans which is far worse. But at this point we cannot plan a closure because we had no time so it would be just as bad. Worrying about 5am calls for closures is real here and not a good answer either.

FTR remote wasn't bad for all, but many kids were failed. Many thrived. We could do so much better if we tried as a whole. Spoken as a parent who is very involved with schools to the point that teachers tease how often I'm helping.

I'm honestly so mad at those who ignored science and are leaving us in a crap spot. I'm sick of this all when we had access to ways to keep spread lessened.

The gullible who ignored and rejected science are the ones loyal to their beliefs/cause ( they believe more in ideology instead of reality ). They made their bed and they better be prepared to sleep in it. Unfortunately for one example it has stressed our health care system to the breaking point.

 

[Kevin_W]

On the subject of Disney, we decided to visit Disneyland today. Its probaby completely unwise from a clvod perspective, but were at least boosted amd my ears hurt like heck from 15 hrs in a KN95 mask. But we had fun.

I wonder if Disney management regrets the billions in losses and all the delays/entertainment laring caused by last ueats shutdown. Cases are far, far higher right now amd theu jave proven thag they can pretty much go back to "fill all the available space" without public consequences nce.

 

[Lilofan]

On the subject of Disney, we decided to visit Disneyland today. Its probaby completely unwise from a clvod perspective, but were at least boosted amd my ears hurt like heck from 15 hrs in a KN95 mask. But we had fun.

I wonder if Disney management regrets the billions in losses and all the delays/entertainment laring caused by last ueats shutdown. Cases are far, far higher right now amd theu jave proven thag they can pretty much go back to "fill all the available space" without public consequences nce.

Disney along with many companies and countries followed the science. This covid epidemic is ever changing so science also changes. In regards to regrets, I think some who have died from complications of Covid may have regretted not getting vaccinated.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

On the subject of Disney, we decided to visit Disneyland today. Its probaby completely unwise from a clvod perspective, but were at least boosted amd my ears hurt like heck from 15 hrs in a KN95 mask. But we had fun.

I wonder if Disney management regrets the billions in losses and all the delays/entertainment laring caused by last ueats shutdown. Cases are far, far higher right now amd theu jave proven thag they can pretty much go back to "fill all the available space" without public consequences nce.

I’m sure Disney regrets the billions lost, and it does seem like a waste in hindsight, but even though cases are higher now we’ve also got vaccines, treatments, and knowledge now that we didn’t have back then.

As bad as Covid has been there was a point at the beginning when the health community feared it could be much, much worse. The first “worst case” projections were 2.2 million US deaths in the first 3 months.

I’m sure the modeling, the varying levels of response, and the durations of each response, will be studies and argued for years but I don’t think many people will fault any of the actions taken in the first month or two when we were facing a huge unknown which the models said could cost millions of lives.

 

[danlb_2000]

What we commonly call "The Plague" aka, the Black Death of the 14th century only lasted a few years, but the disease itself continued to pop up and cause localized epidemics for centuries. Isaac Newton formulated his famous three laws of motion while in the countryside trying to avoid the Great Plague of London in the 1660s. An example of historical social distancing.

The Plague burned itself out because it killed its victims faster than the disease could spread, especially after the disease caused a collapse in trade. There is no "natural immunity" to plague, it was almost uniformally lethal before the discovery of antibiotics. What kept subsequent plagues as mere epidemics (as opposed to pandemics) were that people learned how to efficiently quarantine. The disease finally reverted back to an almost solely zooinotic infection because of the massive expenditures in public sanitation during the 1700-1800s. Making our filthy cities less filthy had multiple benefits in the fight against many different diseases. Which is why I actually worry about outbreaks of typhus, cholera, TB and even plague returning to certain west coast US cities if the present circumstance continues.

The lesson- plague didn't just go away because it ran its course. It became a very rare disease, even before we had antibiotics, because we learnes how to control it and we took the necessary steps.

Here is a story about a suspected plague death in Colorado back in July..

Plague In Colorado: First Possible Human Death Since 2015

San Juan Basin Public Health was notified of the possible case on July 7. The state is conducting more testing.

www.cpr.org

 

[Heppenheimer]

Here is a story about a suspected plague death in Colorado back in July..

Plague In Colorado: First Possible Human Death Since 2015

San Juan Basin Public Health was notified of the possible case on July 7. The state is conducting more testing.

www.cpr.org

Color me surprised. I knew there were a few cases of plague every year in the western US, but I didn't realize there were that many in just one state. Still, two dozen or so isolated cases yearly in one state certainly isn't unmanageable.

Good thing Disneyland has resident cats to keep their rodent population under control.

 

[carolina_yankee]

Forcefully masking toddlers, requiring a vaccine passport for a 5 year old to eat at McDonalds, and closing down schools are not reasonable precautions. You may not care about children, especially the underprivileged that don’t have the means to do remote learning, but I do.

Your “reasonable precautions” simply do not work and cause more harm than good.

Why on earth would anyone want to feed a five year old at McDonald’s when there are so many better places in NYC?! (Not to mention healthier.)

 

[MisterPenguin]

There will always be those where the glass is half full, those where the glass is half empty and those where the glass is empty.

Good, we have the reappearance of people sowing doubt in our ability to know anything. Don't trust scientists don't trust experts. Because people have different opinions they can say the glass is half empty or half-full or there's no water at all!! Oh my God!! There's no water!!!

What a bunch of hooey.

 

[Andrew C]

Why on earth would anyone want to feed a five year old at McDonald’s when there are so many better places in NYC?! (Not to mention healthier.)

Sometimes a kid wants a happy meal.

 

[hopemax]

Color me surprised. I knew there were a few cases of plague every year in the western US, but I didn't realize there were that many in just one state. Still, two dozen or so isolated cases yearly in one state certainly isn't unmanageable.

Good thing Disneyland has resident cats to keep their rodent population under control.

There is so much in this thread, but I thought I had mentioned plague here before. Locals like to casually throw it around on their social media feed. “Couldn’t do the camp out Phish weekend this year. Very disappointed.” Then someone asks why… “Plague!” Duh duh duh! Then, as you say it’s well managed… everyone laughs about it.

True story on the Phish concerts. There was an outbreak among prairie dogs on the neighboring wildlife refuge. Between plague and COVID-19 Phish fans have had a rough go at their traditional Labor Day plans. Did have concerts this year, but no camping since 2018.

 

[Lilofan]

Color me surprised. I knew there were a few cases of plague every year in the western US, but I didn't realize there were that many in just one state. Still, two dozen or so isolated cases yearly in one state certainly isn't unmanageable.

Good thing Disneyland has resident cats to keep their rodent population under control.

Too bad WDW has challenges controlling the snakes and gator population . One thing I stick to is walking on the sidewalks and not on the grass. At least I can see the garter snakes better from a distance. A snake crawling up my leg a few years ago was no fun.

 

[Lilofan]

Why on earth would anyone want to feed a five year old at McDonald’s when there are so many better places in NYC?! (Not to mention healthier.)

Some are different. Some who don't know better eat Dominos Pizza in NYC.

 

[LittleBuford]

Just wanted to respond and let you know I did read the article. I pretty much agree with everything he said, as I do work in the medical field and I believe God gave us these advances in medicine to use them. I think we just disagree on the overall role of the vaccines, atleast for now. I do believe the vaccines should be used and presented to us as options. As I've said before I'm happy certain people I know got the vaccine as they were high risk individuals. I just don't believe it's for everyone. Early treatment(medication is also debatable which isn't helpful here) is still my number one go-to as well as prophylaxis. Anyway I hope 2022 bodes well for you.

Thank you for getting back to me. The earliest treatment is surely prevention itself. Taking the vaccine guards against severe illness, which in turn takes pressure off health systems and spares loved ones the anguish of seeing you ill. I can't think of a more selfless, loving act.

At any rate, I wish you the best for 2022.

 

[LittleBuford]

A sensible move, but probably not very effective without proper guidance on what kinds of masks are actually effective against Omicron.

Covid: Pupils to wear masks in class in England's secondary schools to tackle Omicron

The move aims to tackle concerns about secondary schools staying open for face-to-face lessons this term.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[LittleBuford]

An important and much-needed read, particularly in this thread (please don't just stop at the headline):

Understanding, not judgment, should shape our response to those who remain unjabbed | John Harris

The start of the coming year will be defined by the UK’s vaccination gap, but the issue is more complex than you think, says Guardian columnist John Harris

www.theguardian.com

 

[Heppenheimer]

Too bad WDW has challenges controlling the snakes and gator population . One thing I stick to is walking on the sidewalks and not on the grass. At least I can see the garter snakes better from a distance. A snake crawling up my leg a few years ago was no fun.

At least snakes and alligators aren't resevoirs for human diseases. Those cute prairie dogs, on the other hand...

 

[MisterPenguin]

Too bad WDW has challenges controlling the snakes and gator population . One thing I stick to is walking on the sidewalks and not on the grass. At least I can see the garter snakes better from a distance. A snake crawling up my leg a few years ago was no fun.

At least snakes and alligators aren't resevoirs for human diseases. Those cute prairie dogs, on the other hand...

Still, WDW should definitely encourage a colony of feral cats, but make them jaguars.

 

[RoadiJeff]

Why on earth would anyone want to feed a five year old at McDonald’s when there are so many better places in NYC?! (Not to mention healthier.)

McDonald's used to have healthy food choices. I received a McDonald's gift card for Christmas. One of my goals this year is healthier food choices. I figured I would use the McDonald's card to buy salads. A quick scan of their menu told me that is no longer an option. I guess there were not enough people going to McDonald's for healthy food and those things were dropped. When did they do that?

 

[lazyboy97o]

McDonald's used to have healthy food choices. I received a McDonald's gift card for Christmas. One of my goals this year is healthier food choices. I figured I would use the McDonald's card to buy salads. A quick scan of their menu told me that is no longer an option. I guess there were not enough people going to McDonald's for healthy food and those things were dropped. When did they do that?

A lot of those “healthy” choices weren’t so healthy and you’d be better off with the Big Mac.

 

[correcaminos]

McDonald's used to have healthy food choices. I received a McDonald's gift card for Christmas. One of my goals this year is healthier food choices. I figured I would use the McDonald's card to buy salads. A quick scan of their menu told me that is no longer an option. I guess there were not enough people going to McDonald's for healthy food and those things were dropped. When did they do that?

Pandemic killed them. Though careful with salads as a whole, they aren't always a healthy option