Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[AEfx]

We don't even have the post-new-years celebration numbers yet...and FL cases are up 948%...no, that is not a typo.

I can only assume that anyone that goes to WDW actually actively wants to catch COVID.

 

[BrianLo]

Wow, harsh, are they trying to get to zero?
I understand trying to limit spread but it needs to be balanced against impact to the healthcare systems and the economy of businesses. Unless they are still offering a subsidy to the owners I think it is too far for the benefit.

We simply don't have the excess health care capacity that the US does. Despite doing 'better', our hospitals seem to get just as overwhelmed, with much lower cases adjusted against population.

As a result, flattening the curve seems to be of greater importance in Canada.

 

[matt9112]

I would caution against using such charged words as “segregation” in relation to vaccine passports. To be discriminated against on the basis of your race, nationality, religion, etc. is very different from being kept out of a bar because you refuse to get a free and safe vaccine.

Segregating one part of the population from another....restricitng access and or movement to smaller groups of the population...

Segregation doesn't inherently only mean....racisim. many things are segregated every day.


set apart from each other; isolated or divided.
Is the deffinition of segregated.

 

[matt9112]

Please don't go this direction. You left the remainder out

• the enforced separation of different racial groups in a country, community, or establishment.
  "an official policy of racial segregation

Vaccines are not something people are born with. Makes a big difference to it all. If you cannot see a difference, consider yourself lucky.

So many things are segregated ever day....lending credance to the more nuanced use of the word. It probably is not the most favorable word to some here...yet its just a word.

 

[matt9112]

Missed my 1987 VW Golf back in the day , 85 horsepower , but at highway speeds it was very stable. One can fit a lot in a hatchback. Save the manuals!

I wish more people wanted to save the manuals. Let alone the convenience computers are just better at it now.

Automatics can get more mpg and shift far smarter thab before. Shame...how many people will die never doing doughnuts. It's legitimately disgusting.

 

[Lilofan]

I wish more people wanted to save the manuals. Let alone the convenience computers are just better at it now.

Automatics can get more mpg and shift far smarter thab before. Shame...how many people will die never doing doughnuts. It's legitimately disgusting.

Manuals are a better theft deterrent and safer in my mind, with hands and feet playing that sensitive dance all the time with the 3 pedals and stick without more distractions , eating, texting etc. It is a regular way of driving in Europe and a foreign word in the USA.

 

[DisneyCane]

Ontario government had a meeting today to discuss further restrictions due to rising cases and rising numbers in the ICU. The new measures being talked about are closing indoor dining, limiting all retail capacity to 25%, cancelling all ticketed events and limiting indoor gatherings to 5 fully vaccinated people.

So let me try and understand the logic here. They are concerned about holiday gatherings leading to the hospitals being overwhelmed. They are predisposed to authoritarian mitigation measures so either way they will be doing something that I would vehemently disagree with and be thankful that I live very far away from Ontario.

The solution to keeping the hospitals from getting overwhelmed due to holiday gatherings is not to preemptively limit the gatherings but instead to close indoor dining (which has never been proven to be a major contributor to spread), limiting retail capacity to 25%, cancelling ticketed events and limiting indoor gatherings two weeks after the ones that possibly led to the overwhelming of hospitals already happened?

That makes a ton of sense!

 

[Polkadotdress]

Segregating one part of the population from another....restricitng access and or movement to smaller groups of the population...

Segregation doesn't inherently only mean....racisim. many things are segregated every day.


set apart from each other; isolated or divided.
Is the deffinition of segregated.

But on the whole, "segregation" denotes racial division, much like "gay" denotes sexual orientation rather than meaning "happy, or carefree".

You cannot use either of those words without overwhelmingly thinking of one specific meaning for them.

 

[DisneyCane]

We don't even have the post-new-years celebration numbers yet...and FL cases are up 948%...no, that is not a typo.

I can only assume that anyone that goes to WDW actually actively wants to catch COVID.

The FL "numbers" were very low before the Omicron spike so the increase percentage doesn't say much other than Omicron spreads really efficiently.

As fare as going to WDW, the case rates are MUCH higher in Miami-Dade and Broward than Orange. As has been the case since day 1, Miami-Dade has the highest case rate and is a big driver of the overall FL case rate.

 

[MisterPenguin]

The FL "numbers" were very low before the Omicron spike so the increase percentage doesn't say much other than Omicron spreads really efficiently.

As fare as going to WDW, the case rates are MUCH higher in Miami-Dade and Broward than Orange. As has been the case since day 1, Miami-Dade has the highest case rate and is a big driver of the overall FL case rate.

Why is 'numbers' in quotes? Are you calling into question facts and resources so as to sow the seeds of mistrust of authorities and experts?

Anyhoo, you have posted false information.

You, @DisneyCane, in fact, consistently post false information.

So, yes, relatively recently, the case rate in FL was low. And when you compare a low number to a high number (the current case rate) the proportional increase can misrepresent reality.

However, you're cherry picking facts. Are you doing this purposely, or, do you still not understand how any of this data works? Is that why 'numbers' was in quotes, because you're confused by them?

The case rate is based on a 7 day or 14 day average. The NYT chart below uses a 14 day average. Fourteen days ago was December 20. And on December 20, FL's case rate was already bad and exploding. It was higher than the peak of FL's third wave in May. And just look how it has exploded, even including the lower numbers of the previous 14 days.

So, you're attempt to give false information, namely, that FL's numbers aren't that bad because other people (not you!!!) are misusing the numbers in their comparisons.

But, that's you: Constantly cherry picking numbers to downplay the seriousness of a world wide pandemic.

So, let's move on to your other false information, that is, that it's all Miami's fault that FL looks bad or is driving up FL's community spread. Take a look at this heat map of cases in FL...

Yes, it's bad in Miami where there is a very high density of people in a city environment. But look, it's also pretty bad in Orlando and Jacksonville and Tallahassee and Gainesville.

Tell me, what is the Gainesville - Miami connection? Is Gainesville a bedroom/commuter suburb of Miami? Is there a bullet train running between them? Dozens of flights between the two every day?

You and others love to blame FL's community spread on Miami and "outsiders." Tell me, how often do Miamians and outsiders descend upon Gainesville?

So, stop posting this blatantly false information in a really bad and ridiculous attempt to make these two contradictory points:

1. It's not that bad in FL.​

2. It is bad in FL, but it's Miami's fault.​

Both are demonstrably false.

 

[Jrb1979]

So let me try and understand the logic here. They are concerned about holiday gatherings leading to the hospitals being overwhelmed. They are predisposed to authoritarian mitigation measures so either way they will be doing something that I would vehemently disagree with and be thankful that I live very far away from Ontario.

The solution to keeping the hospitals from getting overwhelmed due to holiday gatherings is not to preemptively limit the gatherings but instead to close indoor dining (which has never been proven to be a major contributor to spread), limiting retail capacity to 25%, cancelling ticketed events and limiting indoor gatherings two weeks after the ones that possibly led to the overwhelming of hospitals already happened?

That makes a ton of sense!

It didn't already happen as New Year's was a couple of days ago. We still have that to do deal with. I think the big reason why they are doing this is cause people still don't get it. This has been going on for 2 years and people don't get it. IF YOU ARE SICK STAY HOME.

 

[DisneyCane]

Why is 'numbers' in quotes? Are you calling into question facts and resources so as to sow the seeds of mistrust of authorities and experts?

Anyhoo, you have posted false information.

You, @DisneyCane, in fact, consistently post false information.

So, yes, relatively recently, the case rate in FL was low. And when you compare a low number to a high number (the current case rate) the proportional increase can misrepresent reality.

However, you're cherry picking facts. Are you doing this purposely, or, do you still not understand how any of this data works? Is that why 'numbers' was in quotes, because you're confused by them?

The case rate is based on a 7 day or 14 day average. The NYT chart below uses a 14 day average. Fourteen days ago was December 20. And on December 20, FL's case rate was already bad and exploding. It was higher than the peak of FL's third wave in May. And just look how it has exploded, even including the lower numbers of the previous 14 days.

So, you're attempt to give false information, namely, that FL's numbers aren't that bad because other people (not you!!!) are misusing the numbers in their comparisons.

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But, that's you: Constantly cherry picking numbers to downplay the seriousness of a world wide pandemic.

So, let's move on to your other false information, that is, that it's all Miami's fault that FL looks bad or is driving up FL's community spread. Take a look at this heat map of cases in FL...

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Yes, it's bad in Miami where there is a very high density of people in a city environment. But look, it's also pretty bad in Orlando and Jacksonville and Tallahassee and Gainesville.

Tell me, what is the Gainesville - Miami connection? Is Gainesville a bedroom/commuter suburb of Miami? Is there a bullet train running between them? Dozens of flights between the two every day?

You and others love to blame FL's community spread on Miami and "outsiders." Tell me, how often do Miamians and outsiders descend upon Gainesville?

So, stop posting this blatantly false information in a really bad and ridiculous attempt to make these two contradictory points:

1. It's not that bad in FL.​

2. It is bad in FL, but it's Miami's fault.​

Both are demonstrably false.

I put "numbers" in quotes because it isn't just the word in it's normal usage. In the COVID hysteria world it seems to me that anytime somebody talks about the "numbers" it is a euphemism for "bodies are piling up in the hallways because of you stupid hoaxers."

Are you the mayor of Miami-Dade county? I ask because you seem very sensitive to any mention of high case loads there. I'm not blaming Miami-Dade county for anything, simply pointing out that the case rate is (much) higher there than it is around WDW after the poster I replied to said that people going to WDW must want to catch COVID based on the Florida "numbers." According to the CDC, Miami-Dade county has a 7-day case rate of 1929.93 per 100k and Broward has a 7-day case rate of 1205.05 while Orange is 475.73 and Osceola is 495.01.

If somebody traveling to FL was trying to get infected, it would be much more likely to happen in Miami-Dade or Broward vs. WDW.

Alachua, where Gainesville is located is much lower than all of them at 256.84. That will likely increase when the students return to UF in a couple of weeks who are currently home in the higher spread counties.

 

[DisneyCane]

It didn't already happen as New Year's was a couple of days ago. We still have that to do deal with. I think the big reason why they are doing this is cause people still don't get it. This has been going on for 2 years and people don't get it. IF YOU ARE SICK STAY HOME.

A couple of days ago already happened and they are considering putting in restrictions going forward.

If you are sick, stay home is a no brainer but it doesn't help with pre-symptomatic or asymptomatic spread.

 

[MisterPenguin]

I put "numbers" in quotes because it isn't just the word in it's normal usage. In the COVID hysteria world it seems to me that anytime somebody talks about the "numbers" it is a euphemism for "bodies are piling up in the hallways because of you stupid hoaxers."

Are you the mayor of Miami-Dade county? I ask because you seem very sensitive to any mention of high case loads there. I'm not blaming Miami-Dade county for anything, simply pointing out that the case rate is (much) higher there than it is around WDW after the poster I replied to said that people going to WDW must want to catch COVID based on the Florida "numbers." According to the CDC, Miami-Dade county has a 7-day case rate of 1929.93 per 100k and Broward has a 7-day case rate of 1205.05 while Orange is 475.73 and Osceola is 495.01.

If somebody traveling to FL was trying to get infected, it would be much more likely to happen in Miami-Dade or Broward vs. WDW.

Alachua, where Gainesville is located is much lower than all of them at 256.84. That will likely increase when the students return to UF in a couple of weeks who are currently home in the higher spread counties.

You're just doubling down on obfuscation.

 

[Jrb1979]

A couple of days ago already happened and they are considering putting in restrictions going forward.

If you are sick, stay home is a no brainer but it doesn't help with pre-symptomatic or asymptomatic spread.

You would think it's a no brainer but many continue to go to work sick. At this point it's not about so much slowing the spread as it is keeping people out of the hospitals.

I realize a couple of days ago happened but it still takes a few weeks to see the reactions from New Year's.

 

[GimpYancIent]

In the meantime, Disney continues to operate with a minimal yet practical mask policy providing scaled back entertainment for an exorbitant price to gullible guests looking for relief from the bombardment of data, information, rumors and numbers about COVID19. It is absolutely true Personal Agenda's everybody has one.

 

[mmascari]

According to the CDC, Miami-Dade county has a 7-day case rate of 1929.93 per 100k and Broward has a 7-day case rate of 1205.05 while Orange is 475.73 and Osceola is 495.01.

Alachua, where Gainesville is located is much lower than all of them at 256.84.

Not that you were saying this is good, but a friendly reminder for anyone looking at "The Numbers", that while 256.84 is less than 475.73 is less than 495.01 is less than 1205.05 is less than 1929.93, that doesn't mean 256.84 is good. ALL of those are bad, not good, a poor place to be, reason for concern.

They're not just all bad, they're all VERY BAD. A "good" number, or really "not bad", would be under under 5. Not 50, just 5. So, while 256 is almost 8 times lower than 1929, it's still 51 times higher than 5.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Not that you were saying this is good, but a friendly reminder for anyone looking at "The Numbers", that while 256.84 is less than 475.73 is less than 495.01 is less than 1205.05 is less than 1929.93, that doesn't mean 256.84 is good. ALL of those are bad, not good, a poor place to be, reason for concern.

They're not just all bad, they're all VERY BAD. A "good" number, or really "not bad", would be under under 5. Not 50, just 5. So, while 256 is almost 8 times lower than 1929, it's still 51 times higher than 5.

Yes, this is just another tactic in the deniers arsenal, namely, to look at something they want to make look good by comparing it to something that is even worse.

It's cherry-picking. And the conclusion is false and misleading.

It's an anti-vaxx tactic. As much as our anti-vaxxers say they aren't anti-vaxx, they repeatedly post misleading anti-vaxx propaganda.

 

[Lilofan]

A couple of days ago already happened and they are considering putting in restrictions going forward.

If you are sick, stay home is a no brainer but it doesn't help with pre-symptomatic or asymptomatic spread.

Your post makes sense but some companies have a company attendance policy and if a staff member misses X amount of days out of work, not only they don't get paid ( if exhausted vacation time ) and a certain amount of call outs may cause them to lose their job, hence some come to work sick.

 

[hopemax]

I don't think it's so much "Team anti-vax" as it's "Team let it rip." But often they work from the same playbook. This time with "Omicron is mild!" works for both groups to promote the agenda that doing anything is stupid. As if either group is prepared to live with the actual consequences because they've convinced themselves that they will also be "mild."