Chip Chipperson
Well-Known Member
Yep. Who wants to take this army vax?!! Lol
If it works and is safe then I'll line up as soon as I'm eligible.
Yep. Who wants to take this army vax?!! Lol
You are simplifying this far too much. Hospitals are not solely staffed by nurses. Don't forget about other specialists like respiratory therapists, xray technicians, or pharmacists, and even...doctors?
Hesitant??After nearly two years, scientists at the Walter Reed Army Institute of Research believe they have developed a vaccine that is effective against all COVID and SARS variants...
So not new, new and only phase 1 data? I'll keep waiting... https://eidresearch.org/news/press-...rts-armys-pan-coronavirus-vaccine-development
Thankfully, despite all the banter, click bait, rumor and story telling the researchers, lab techs and other professionals in the medical and research fields continue to diligently / quietly develop counter measures. I like it.Looks like we have a new improved vaccine
Army to announce vaccine that protects from ALL COVID, SARS variants
Walter Reed Army Institute of Research is set to announce a vaccine that effectively protects against all COVID and SARS variants after nearly two years of research.www.dailymail.co.uk
I'll stupidly bite, since you know darn well I jumped in early in 2020. I mean we're barely getting human data. We all have to wait.Hesitant??
It’s not actually the executive branch by itself it’s very nuanced:Where in the Constitution does it say that the federal government, or more specifically the Executive Branch, can mandate vaccines? This is why challenges are being heard in the Supreme Court - to clarify both questions.
Like clockwork... at the first inkling of scarcity, the hoarding commences.I'll be honest, I know some test hoarders who pick up tests they don't need. Much like tomato sauce and domino dk brown sugar locally, I cannot find tests here. I was going to test knowing asymptomatic rapid tests are not great, to calm fears of a sibling, but no go. Still concerned that come Thursday they won't hop in the car after all.
People need to stop hoarding crap. That's my rant. A lady near me in line's family all had covid recently so why try to get tests? I struck out - ran out just before I got to the door.
Hey Doc, what is the expiration / shelf life for these tests? I seriously doubt these hoarders can store whatever quantities of tests they score in optimal storage conditions.Like clockwork... at the first inkling of scarcity, the hoarding commences.
They were not effective, because of lack of resources (high flow oxygen, IV pumps, etc.) and lack of staff (seriously the current problem right now is a lack of nursing staff, due to burnout and nursing wages staying flat while minimum wages have risen has caused the current problem) they would not fix the problem.U.S. will deploy troops to help hospitals during omicron wave, distribute free Covid tests starting in January
Public health officials now fear the omicron variant will overwhelm hospitals with another wave of patients.www.cnbc.com
Somehow a previous administration was able to set up field hospitals, deploy hospital ships etc. Now we can't do it. If this is as bad as everyone seems to think it will be, then we need to figure out how to make it happen.
No goal was every achieved with an intitial mission statement of "We Can't"
Yeah, I deleted the post. Shouldn't have posted it in the first place.The Federal Government only has powers that are specifically delineated by the Constitution.
There is nothing in the Constitution that gives the Feds the power to mandate vaccines, therefore, they can't.
If it seems that the Feds have total autocratic powers... it's because of creeping Federalism in which the interpretation of the powers given to the Feds continually gets broadened.
*A lot* of Federal regulation, e.g., is based on the Commerce Clause (if it happens across state lines, the Feds are in control). All three branches have wittingly or unwittingly given themselves and the other branches more and more power. Also, international issues (like wars) tend to favor giving the Feds more and more power. And Congress has been reluctant to reign in Executive power for decades, or, not providing the legislation needed in new situations, forcing the Chief Executive (and all the Federal Agencies) to make up their own rules.
However, this isn't entirely unchecked. The courts do regularly slap down Congressional or Executive overreach (at times expanding their own powers to do so).
Anyhoo... getting back to what the Feds can do with regard to vaccine mandates... they can't.
States have all the power that the Constitution hasn't relegated to Congress or limited through delineating the rights of individuals. There is no Constitutional right to be free from enforced vaccinations. So... the states can do that. And if we don't like that... there's the voting booth.
It’s not just specialists. You need custodial staff to keep facilities clean. Kitchen staff to feed patients.You are simplifying this far too much. Hospitals are not solely staffed by nurses. Don't forget about other specialists like respiratory therapists, xray technicians, or pharmacists, and even...doctors?
Oh what nonsense. You’re whole “Build more hospitals” shtick is because you’ve decided “We can’t” get cases down to a more manageable level.U.S. will deploy troops to help hospitals during omicron wave, distribute free Covid tests starting in January
Public health officials now fear the omicron variant will overwhelm hospitals with another wave of patients.www.cnbc.com
Somehow a previous administration was able to set up field hospitals, deploy hospital ships etc. Now we can't do it. If this is as bad as everyone seems to think it will be, then we need to figure out how to make it happen.
No goal was every achieved with an intitial mission statement of "We Can't"
No idea. I can ask the hospital pathologist if he knows when I go back to work tomorrow.Hey Doc, what is the expiration / shelf life for these tests? I seriously doubt these hoarders can store whatever quantities of tests they score in optimal storage conditions.
Um, we've been doing this for months already? Perhaps you have a different definition of "plow forward".Plow forwards to start thinking like February 2020 and let’s be together again without the fear of catching Covid and ending up in the hospital and dying.
I’m not sure how I’m putting you at risk by thinking that, but I’m open to understand your perspective.
U.S. will deploy troops to help hospitals during omicron wave, distribute free Covid tests starting in January
Public health officials now fear the omicron variant will overwhelm hospitals with another wave of patients.www.cnbc.com
Somehow a previous administration was able to set up field hospitals, deploy hospital ships etc. Now we can't do it. If this is as bad as everyone seems to think it will be, then we need to figure out how to make it happen.
No goal was every achieved with an intitial mission statement of "We Can't"
If only there was a cheap, easy, and durable way to do this?If the infection rate can be reduced / slowed all the numbers will not be climbing at such rates. Think of it less infections will = less death.
So, we'll get there. It's just going to take longer than it needs to.It’s not actually the executive branch by itself it’s very nuanced:
1. For health care workers, Centers for Medicare and Medicaid services will be revising payment rules and regulation such that in order to get paid your employees need to be vaccinated. This is a so called “power of the purse” move. It has been used by CMS many times before to force things on the healthcare industry (electronic medical records, JACHO certification for hospitals, etc.). Healthcare industry components doesn’t have to comply, but if it doesn’t then It loses its largest payer source. This is a tried and true tactic that has been used for everything from speed limits to minimum drinking age and I don’t see how it’s not going to be held up in court.
2. For large employers OSHA, an executive branch agency imbued with the powers to regulate workplace safety by Congress, is mandating a vaccine or testing procedure. Most of the lawsuits for this one are focusing on if the process for making this rule are being correctly followed, and are centered on the fact (at least initially) if doing so under an emergency order is valid. Meanwhile, OSHA has already started the standard way to apply a new rule that takes longer but will be harder to challenge. If anything has a chance of being overturned it’s this aspect.
3. Finally for employees and contractors of the federal govt the President, acting as the head or boss of those workers has mandated it. Provided it is not discriminatory towards the disabled (must accept medical exemptions,) race/sex (this applies to all so it’s not) or religious beliefs (need to accept religious exemptions) he is well within his power, which is why those cases have all been dismissed.
I'd love to just be able to travel internationally without worry of popping positive, asymptomatic, and being stuck in Copenhagen or wherever and worrying about my employment status upon return. First world problems, I know.Um, we've been doing this for months already? Perhaps you have a different definition of "plow forward".
We're moving forward just fine. Doing things, not everything, but still plenty of things. They've all just been adjusted for the new risk profile.
Going to an enclosed space with random people - wear a mask.
Having people in the house - make sure they're vaccinated.
Traveling to visit people in other areas with different pools of exposure - test first.
Eating in a packed restaurant, close together with random people, with questionable ventilation - not doing, as the risk profile changed. Just like we wouldn't eat at a restaurant with a poor health department rating. Eliminate some of those, and the restaurant may be fine.
It's the new forward. Plowing just fine.
Would it be nice to go back to the summer of 2019 and hang out in a packed bar, shoulder to shoulder drinking and cheering some event with everyone right on top of each other without a care in the world? Maybe, but that's probably just gone forever. It's the new forward.
Month to month, I would like to see the risk profile reduce instead of increase, as then forward can involve less and less thought.
Agreed. It was a mess to get signed up. My family kept searching online even pre dawn hours and then found an appt online.I should have included the fact I received my initial shot in February and my second in March. My wife got hers in January and it took no time to sign her up. I took weeks and tried every site. The mass sites signups stunk and the Drug stores were done by individual stores. But I spent the time because I care for my wife.
I'd love to just be able to travel internationally without worry of popping positive, likely asymptomatic, and being stuck in Copenhagen or wherever and worrying about my employment status upon return. First world problems, I know.
That would be amazing. Let's get there.to the point where "plow forward" means no mitigation beyond vaccination, because the other societal effects mirror other illness.
My guess is it's going to take 10 years. Which is sad, I realize.Without more people vaccinated, whether by mandates or finally coming around, I doubt we'll get there soon.
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