Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[MisterPenguin]

It's not either or though.

I acknowledge that it isn't *in theory* and some, like you, will say 'both.'

But right now, in reality, only one of them is practically "on the table" as a tool (at least among leaders that care about the pandemic and science).

But that shouldn't be. If the political calculus of leaders who should be following the science is not to get constituents angry, then they should chose Strategy B, a vaccination mandate. If everyone was vaccinated and boosted then you could avoid lockdowns and stop stressing about the 20% who won't wear masks or wear them properly, because, everyone's vaccinated.

 

[MisterPenguin]

While I agree with Strategy B, the problem is that those 20% will sue everyplace they can to prevent the mandates from happening. This pandemic is being run totally by that minority now, as they are the loudest. Sad really.

The states of the USA can mandate vaccines for everyone of their state. This is settled Supreme Court law. This precedent is why so many suits trying to block mandates get shot down by the courts as it gets extended to employees of the government and private businesses.

 

[Nubs70]

Staffed by whom? That’s the bigger problem than physical beds. Not enough nursing staff because they took individual responsibility for their declining mental health and found other employment.

Assign a nursing student to a existing nurse serving as a personal preceptor. Use existing nurses as force multipliers.

 

[Nubs70]

Then people will say the government shouldn’t be spending that kind of money. If not predictable, it’s very consistent in here.

It is a milqetoste action that will have zero positive effect.

 

[carolina_yankee]

Then build more space. Put up a temp hospital space. Kind of like people did in the past.

The problem isn’t numbers of patients, it’s lack of staff. With this kind of spread, staffing shortages create the service crises. And next week when numbers are through the roof (because Omicron is just getting started here), you’ll have a combination of more patients and not enough staff.

Health care leaders are warning us “we are going to be in a world of hurt” for the next couple of months, and people are saying, “No we won’t” or “then do something.” But it’s not up to them. We’re then ones that need to mask, vaccinate, not gather in large unknown groups, etc.

I feel like we are expecting somebody in power to fix this for us. That’s not how this is going to work.

 

[DisneyFan32]

Now I'm worried about by 2024 now between COVID-19 pandemic and election 2024. Is the virus is getting worse soon.
Is the pandemic will MIGHT ending by next year?

 

[carolina_yankee]

We have about 300MM people in the US. How are you going to make a meaningful impact with 3 tests for every 2 people?

If they put out 1Bl Billion per week, everyone could test every other day. That would make a meaningful impact.

Not everyone has to test everyday. People who are retired, work at home, work in small offices, work in environments where they aren’t close to other people don’t need to test. Some are already tested regularly. My husband tests weekly because he’s a hospice chaplain. I test vicariously through him! If I don’t have symptoms and he tests negative, we assume we’re good. Not perfect but better than nothing - we also follow protocols strictly. 500,000,000 isn’t much, it’s true, but right now, it would be a huge help for people who need tests and can’t get one.

 

[Andrew C]

How omicron broke Covid-19 testing

Rapid tests are sold out everywhere, and help might not come until next year.

www.vox.com

CDC's Laboratory Outreach Communication System (LOCS) | CDC

www.cdc.gov

 

[LuvtheGoof]

The states of the USA can mandate vaccines for everyone of their state. This is settled Supreme Court law. This precedent is why so many suits trying to block mandates get shot down by the courts as it gets extended to employees of the government and private businesses.

Yes, they can, but a minority of governors have already had laws passed preventing any mandates. Again, the minority, but people in those states travel all over, so a mandate in one may not help much if there is no mandate in the state next door. I personally think it should be a national mandate, since it is a public health crisis. Vaccine passports as well are fine with me. Start excluding the unvaccinated from lots of places, and some will eventually change their minds. Of course, that's after their lawsuits have been struck down in the courts.

 

[DisneyFan32]

How omicron broke Covid-19 testing

Rapid tests are sold out everywhere, and help might not come until next year.

www.vox.com

Reporters ask Biden if testing shortage is a failure for the administration | Fox News

President Biden addressed nation on COVID-19 surges, Omicron variant

www.foxnews.com

CDC's Laboratory Outreach Communication System (LOCS) | CDC

www.cdc.gov

Is next year will be MUCH better as COVID-19 will be under control with less cases?

 

[drizgirl]

Yes, they can, but a minority of governors have already had laws passed preventing any mandates. Again, the minority, but people in those states travel all over, so a mandate in one may not help much if there is no mandate in the state next door. I personally think it should be a national mandate, since it is a public health crisis. Vaccine passports as well are fine with me. Start excluding the unvaccinated from lots of places, and some will eventually change their minds. Of course, that's after their lawsuits have been struck down in the courts.

That need does not change whether it’s constitutional.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

It is a milqetoste action that will have zero positive effect.

Yet, things we try to do that have a above zero effect,as you put it, are met with disdain because it’s not 100% effective. Or infringes, they believe, on their rights. If it’s unconstitutional and proven is one thing. Something is usually always better then nothing. Thanks for proving what I have been saying.

 

[Andrew C]

That need does not change whether it’s constitutional.

Yep. I think the feds have pushed mandates as far as they can under our laws. Heck, they may have pushed too far…we will see on that.

But the states doing it is an entirely different story. Its a question of whether any will actually do so.

 

[correcaminos]

I'll be honest, I know some test hoarders who pick up tests they don't need. Much like tomato sauce and domino dk brown sugar locally, I cannot find tests here. I was going to test knowing asymptomatic rapid tests are not great, to calm fears of a sibling, but no go. Still concerned that come Thursday they won't hop in the car after all.

People need to stop hoarding crap. That's my rant. A lady near me in line's family all had covid recently so why try to get tests? I struck out - ran out just before I got to the door.

 

[Andrew C]

I'll be honest, I know some test hoarders who pick up tests they don't need. Much like tomato sauce and domino dk brown sugar locally, I cannot find tests here. I was going to test knowing asymptomatic rapid tests are not great, to calm fears of a sibling, but no go. Still concerned that come Thursday they won't hop in the car after all.

People need to stop hoarding crap. That's my rant. A lady near me in line's family all had covid recently so why try to get tests? I struck out.

People tend to hoard when supplies become limited.

Or they just freak out about TP.

 

[correcaminos]

People tend to hoard when supplies become limited.

Or they just freak out about TP.

The TP situation was in part due to people hoarding. Putting limits helped. We actually were running out right when it happened along with some other supplies. We had planned to go to Florida for spring break when it all shut down, so some items we were just going to buy upon return. We found what we needed. But geez people hoarding makes it so much worse. Tests expire too which makes hoarding testing even more ridiculous

 

[Andrew C]

The TP situation was in part due to people hoarding. Putting limits helped. We actually were running out right when it happened along with some other supplies. We had planned to go to Florida for spring break when it all shut down, so some items we were just going to buy upon return. We found what we needed. But geez people hoarding makes it so much worse. Tests expire too which makes hoarding testing even more ridiculous

Side story. So we are flying to Canada tomorrow to visit family for Christmas. Specifically my grandfather who will be turning 96. I haven’t seen him in several years now so it will be good to be with him. He has a few great grandchildren he hasn’t met yet too.
Based on some information provided here, we ordered some at home antigen tests ahead of time which we will be able to use to get back to the US. I’m glad we ordered them a while ago.

 

[matt9112]

The labor market isn’t tight because of the incredibly small number of people who have proved themselves willing to be unemployed instead of vaccinated.

Im aware....lulz
But if you need 5 employees in said labor market and fire one because of his or her vax status dont whine and kick that you only have 4 employees.

Make those 4 work even harder. It will work out well.

But hey misunderstand my point some more. Its par for the course in this thread.

 

[correcaminos]

Side story. So we are flying to Canada tomorrow to visit family for Christmas. Specifically my grandfather who will be turning 96. I haven’t seen him in several years now so it will be good to be with him. He has a few great grandchildren he hasn’t met yet too.
Based on some information provided here, we ordered some at home antigen tests ahead of time which we will be able to use to get back to the US. I’m glad we ordered them a while ago.

Yeah I wish I had sensed edginess more than a week or so ago about it from out family. I would've been at it longer. I just chatted last night and bluntly said if they want tests, it's a no go here. If anyone knows me here, I'm rather middle ground about it all anyway. Omicron doesn't freak me out, but I respect those who worry. As long as they aren't obnoxious up the brain type of tests, (I have to do those personally for the trial) I'm not going to balk at doing it much. Just now impossible to do any at all. Though I do think asymptomatic testing isn't the best if doing rapid tests. My husband asked what they would do if a positive came up, just go home? Anyway sorry for my rant.

I think seeing your grandfather is a wonderful thing. Not seeing loved ones due to restrictions like travel and such is so hard. I was there with my aunt. I hope you have a fantastic trip!

 

[seascape]

That need does not change whether it’s constitutional.

The Constitution must be followed no matter what happens. If the President can break the Constitution in one area there is nothing that can stop him or her from breaking it elsewhere. Keep in mind that if it weren't for freedom of speech in the 60's and 70's we would not have gay rights. It was freedom of speech in the late 1800's and early 1900's that led to women gaining the right to vote.

We must under all circumstances protect all our rights. The States have all rights not specifically given to the Federal Government and that is why something may be legal in one state and illegal in another. If you like restrictions move to a state that has them. If you don't like a specific restruction move to a state you agree with. I wear a mask while indoors no matter where I am.

I will always wear a mask in a Drug Store for the rest of my life, there are sick people picking up their meds. Be smart, live a safe life as you wish. We are all responsible to protect ourselves and our loved one but I do not have the right to demand everyone does what I want. The world would be a horrible place if eceryone ageed and did everything the same. Like this or not so be it and I am extremely happy some will be on both sides. That is what makes this country great.