Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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MisterPenguin

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LuvtheGoof said:
So where in the constitution does it state that the federal government cannot mandate vaccines?
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The Federal Government only has powers that are specifically delineated by the Constitution.

There is nothing in the Constitution that gives the Feds the power to mandate vaccines, therefore, they can't.

If it seems that the Feds have total autocratic powers... it's because of creeping Federalism in which the interpretation of the powers given to the Feds continually gets broadened.

*A lot* of Federal regulation, e.g., is based on the Commerce Clause (if it happens across state lines, the Feds are in control). All three branches have wittingly or unwittingly given themselves and the other branches more and more power. Also, international issues (like wars) tend to favor giving the Feds more and more power. And Congress has been reluctant to reign in Executive power for decades, or, not providing the legislation needed in new situations, forcing the Chief Executive (and all the Federal Agencies) to make up their own rules.

However, this isn't entirely unchecked. The courts do regularly slap down Congressional or Executive overreach (at times expanding their own powers to do so).

Anyhoo... getting back to what the Feds can do with regard to vaccine mandates... they can't.

States have all the power that the Constitution hasn't relegated to Congress or limited through delineating the rights of individuals. There is no Constitutional right to be free from enforced vaccinations. So... the states can do that. And if we don't like that... there's the voting booth.
 
Andrew C

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The Mom said:
Where in the Constitution does it say that the federal government, or more specifically the Executive Branch, can mandate vaccines? This is why challenges are being heard in the Supreme Court - to clarify both questions.
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A 1905 Supreme Court ruling covers the states and local governments from being able to do so. But it isn’t so clear for the feds. From what I have read, there is a separation of powers issue where they don’t have “plenary power” to do so. I imagine they tried to get around this by doing things like the OSHA mandate.
 
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Chip Chipperson

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helenabear said:
Yeah I wish I had sensed edginess more than a week or so ago about it from out family. I would've been at it longer. I just chatted last night and bluntly said if they want tests, it's a no go here. If anyone knows me here, I'm rather middle ground about it all anyway. Omicron doesn't freak me out, but I respect those who worry. As long as they aren't obnoxious up the brain type of tests, (I have to do those personally for the trial) I'm not going to balk at doing it much. Just now impossible to do any at all. Though I do think asymptomatic testing isn't the best if doing rapid tests. My husband asked what they would do if a positive came up, just go home? Anyway sorry for my rant.

I think seeing your grandfather is a wonderful thing. Not seeing loved ones due to restrictions like travel and such is so hard. I was there with my aunt. I hope you have a fantastic trip!
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Have you tried Walgreens or CVS for shipping? I got some shipped from Walgreens last week to use for Christmas and they shipped pretty fast. You might have them in time if you pay for express shipping (if they have any left).
 
correcaminos

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Chip Chipperson said:
Have you tried Walgreens or CVS for shipping? I got some shipped from Walgreens last week to use for Christmas and they shipped pretty fast. You might have them in time if you pay for express shipping (if they have any left).
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They won't ship anymore from either - just says in store only. Plus family is coming in 2 days. I think asymptomatic rapid testing isn't all that great anyway but there are no options at this point.
 
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Polkadotdress

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DisneyCane said:
Conspiracies can't possibly be pulled off. There are too many people involved for them all to keep their mouths shut. Think about conspiracies like we didn't really land on the moon (even though they put a mirror up there that you can hit with a laser with the right equipment). The sheer number of people involved in faking it would make it impossible for the secret to stay secret.
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And yet, large number of the anti-vaxx society believe that COVID is a hoax, created specifically to "keep us under control" and/or to help a specific politician win an election. Conspiracy theory much?



Nubs70 said:
Assign a nursing student to a existing nurse serving as a personal preceptor. Use existing nurses as force multipliers.
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You are simplifying this far too much. Hospitals are not solely staffed by nurses. Don't forget about other specialists like respiratory therapists, xray technicians, or pharmacists, and even...doctors?
 
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GimpYancIent

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DisneyFan32 said:
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United States cases
Updated Dec 22 at 8:36 AM local
Confirmed
51,303,210
+192,927
Deaths
808,414
+2,079

If numbers are going to be thrown out there, then, show the whole picture. A heck of a lot of people have been infected and not died! If the infection rate can be reduced / slowed all the numbers will not be climbing at such rates. Think of it less infections will = less death. The selectivity of the numbers presented is disingenuous.
 
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Chip Chipperson

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Polkadotdress said:
And yet, large number of the anti-vaxx society believe that COVID is a hoax, created specifically to "keep us under control" and/or to help a specific politician win an election. Conspiracy theory much?





You are simplifying this far too much. Hospitals are not solely staffed by nurses. Don't forget about other specialists like respiratory therapists, xray technicians, or pharmacists, and even...doctors?
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Robot doctors! If it's good enough for the Jetsons then it's good enough for us!
 
Nubs70

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Andrew C said:
Could it?
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correcaminos

correcaminos

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Nubs70 said:
Looks like we have a new improved vaccine

www.dailymail.co.uk

Army to announce vaccine that protects from ALL COVID, SARS variants

Walter Reed Army Institute of Research is set to announce a vaccine that effectively protects against all COVID and SARS variants after nearly two years of research.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
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After nearly two years, scientists at the Walter Reed Army Institute of Research believe they have developed a vaccine that is effective against all COVID and SARS variants...

So not new, new and only phase 1 data? I'll keep waiting... https://eidresearch.org/news/press-...rts-armys-pan-coronavirus-vaccine-development
 
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