Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Lilofan]

Then build more space. Put up a temp hospital space. Kind of like people did in the past.

And some think printing more money will pay the bill?

 

[Lilofan]

We have about 300MM people in the US. How are you going to make a meaningful impact with 3 tests for every 2 people?

If they put out 1Bl Billion per week, everyone could test every other day. That would make a meaningful impact.

A number of people will always critic the testing process . I critic the anti vaxxers the gullible ones who fall for the conspiracy theories , who refuse to get the shots and are screwing it up for all.

 

[Jim L]

Strategy A: Universal all-the-time mask mandates and shutdowns = 100% of the people are angry

Strategy B: Universal vaccine mandate = 20% of the people are angry.

While some might say "do both," only one of these seems to be 'on the table' right now. And if we had to pick just one... how about the one that only angers the 15% and not the 100%?

It's not either or though.

 

[hopemax]

Then build more space. Put up a temp hospital space. Kind of like people did in the past.

Staffed by whom? That’s the bigger problem than physical beds. Not enough nursing staff because they took individual responsibility for their declining mental health and found other employment.

 

[seascape]

The numbers today continue to skyrocket. New York State hit 100, but NYC is at 121. NJ is at 81, but Essex Countu is at 120. Florida is at 39 but remember that is up from 6. The rate of increase is horrible. However, it is not from the unvaccinated. My wife's office has over a 10% rate just this week and everyone was vaccinated and boosted. She works in Essex County and it was simple to get vaccinated there if you worked there because the residents are below average in vaccination freeing up doces for workers who live in other counties. Govenor Murphy made it extremely hard for me to get vaccinated because of how he allocated the vaccine. It was easy for people who live or work in Essex County but extremely difficult for retired citizens who live outside of Cities. Yes, I know its easiet today but the fact is I had to get my booster in Essex County with my wife and the nurse used my wifes work address so I could get it.

 

[Lilofan]

The numbers today continue to skyrocket. New York State hit 100, but NYC is at 121. NJ is at 81, but Essex Countu is at 120. Florida is at 39 but remember that is up from 6. The rate of increase is horrible. However, it is not from the unvaccinated. My wife's office has over a 10% rate just this week and everyone was vaccinated and boosted. She works in Essex County and it was simple to get vaccinated there if you worked there because the residents are below average in vaccination freeing up doces for workers who live in other counties. Govenor Murphy made it extremely hard for me to get vaccinated because of how he allocated the vaccine. It was easy for people who live or work in Essex County but extremely difficult for retired citizens who live outside of Cities. Yes, I know its easiet today but the fact is I had to get my booster in Essex County with my wife and the nurse used my wifes work address so I could get it.

I find that very hard to believe. My friends ( retired ) who live in NJ earlier in the year got appts at the Mega Center sites in their respective county when signing up online. National Guard checked their IDs prior to them going inside the huge building. One can just imagine if your wife's co-workers didn't get vaxxed. Their medical situation would have been worse.

 

[DisneyCane]

That’s the biggest problem with Covid-19 though, you can be asymptomatic (feel 100% fine) and still be contagious.

If people use an at home test that doesn't detect asymptomatic infection very well it could actually lead to more spread. If somebody tests negative in the morning but actually has an asymptomatic infection that may make them feel safe to be in close contact with people for long periods. Without the test, they may have taken some precautions.

 

[LuvtheGoof]

Strategy A: Universal all-the-time mask mandates and shutdowns = 100% of the people are angry

Strategy B: Universal vaccine mandate = 20% of the people are angry.

While some might say "do both," only one of these seems to be 'on the table' right now. And if we had to pick just one... how about the one that only angers the 15% and not the 100%?

While I agree with Strategy B, the problem is that those 20% will sue everyplace they can to prevent the mandates from happening. This pandemic is being run totally by that minority now, as they are the loudest. Sad really.

 

[DisneyFan32]

Twenty-five states sue Biden admin over mask mandate for kids in Head Start

Louisiana and 24 other states are suing the Biden administration over mask mandates for children and vaccine requirements for staff Head Start programs.

www.foxnews.com

By 2024, if Trump won election as president again then COVID-19 pandemic will be worst because he will lift mask mandate for everything.

 

[DisneyCane]

Conspiracies are stupid, people who believe them are stupid. Smart people can do stupid things but when committing these stupid things they are being stupid.

Conspiracies can't possibly be pulled off. There are too many people involved for them all to keep their mouths shut. Think about conspiracies like we didn't really land on the moon (even though they put a mirror up there that you can hit with a laser with the right equipment). The sheer number of people involved in faking it would make it impossible for the secret to stay secret.

 

[seascape]

I find that very hard to believe. My friends ( retired ) who live in NJ earlier in the year got appts at the Mega Center sites in their respective county when signing up online. National Guard checked their IDs prior to them going inside the huge building. One can just imagine if your wife's co-workers didn't get vaxxed. Their medical situation would have been worse.

I should have included the fact I received my initial shot in February and my second in March. My wife got hers in January and it took no time to sign her up. I took weeks and tried every site. The mass sites signups stunk and the Drug stores were done by individual stores. But I spent the time because I care for my wife.

 

[Andrew C]

Do you not agree? Do you think it's good that the tests were destroyed?

To answer your questions. No. And no.

 

[DisneyCane]

How many times does something like this have to be posted? Yes, people of color are more hesitant than caucasians but there is a huge divide between voting populations.
You say you are in London? There is a strong bias against immigrants there, are you one? That was a huge factor in why you got Brexit no?

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I assume this data is coming from polls or county statistical analysis as they have no real way to tie an unvaccinated person to their voter registration. To me, it doesn't jibe that the unvaccinated skews very young yet somehow these unvaccinated young people are 90% Republicans (or whatever the calculation works out to)?

 

[DisneyCane]

I know he can’t see my posts, but I’m responding for the group.

You know what else would have worked? The expected number of people getting vaccinated instead of being fools. Simple.

I know he can't see my posts so I'm responding for the group.

There is no evidence that the situation would be drastically different if the expected number of people had been vaccinated.

 

[correcaminos]

As someone who has studied actual Latin, the -es ending to create plurals comes much more natural to me, and it is, IMO, a fitting alternative to the -os, and -as, and... very understandable to English speakers, who use -es for plurals, especially considering how English is the new Lingua Franca (a triply ironic phrase).

IOW, I'm just O.G.

As someone who speaks Spanish in the home, and raising a Latino boy who has a lot of gender neutral friends, Latines makes no sense either. Knowing what people prefer is smart, but as a whole Latines doesn't really work for the population. It's not about you and Latin language, it's about what the people prefer. Polling have been done since the whole Latinx blew up this year and very few use Latine as well.

 

[DisneyCane]

Staffed by whom? That’s the bigger problem than physical beds. Not enough nursing staff because they took individual responsibility for their declining mental health and found other employment.

There is also a very small but not insignificant number of healthcare providers who have or will elect to quit if the choice is get vaccinated or quit. There are a handful at my wife's hospital.

 

[mattpeto]

There are tens of millions of unvaccinated Americans. If large numbers of them end up in hospital, the effects will be felt by society at large. That is why it is senseless to pretend that the unvaccinated can just be ignored or damned to their own fate.

I appreciate and respect this perspective, thank you. I didn’t realize that hospitals were bursting at the seams, but if they are in certain areas, your counter point makes a ton of sense.

Still trying to be optimistic here, hoping we can “plow forward” at some point next year.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

We have about 300MM people in the US. How are you going to make a meaningful impact with 3 tests for every 2 people?

If they put out 1Bl Billion per week, everyone could test every other day. That would make a meaningful impact.

Then people will say the government shouldn’t be spending that kind of money. If not predictable, it’s very consistent in here.

 

[hopemax]

I’m glad for you. But That is not true everywhere. We are several days away from Christmas and the poor planning is leaving many people scrambling. They missed the boat on this one. It’s already played out, how do you not see that? They failed already because they were not prepared ahead of time. You don’t act once the **** has already hit the fan.

In this country we do. Think of the Will Rogers line in the American Adventure, "We are the only nation in the world that waits till we get into a war before we start getting ready for it." He said it because it resonated; it survives because it resonates. We are a re-active nation, not a pro-active one, that is our DNA.

We can't use hindsight and pretend that Americans, especially Americans in Congress would have been cool with the expense for billions of rapid tests, masks, and anything else we needed to prepare for future variants. A month ago everyone thought we were in "wind down" mode and not rapidly cycling back up to this. The citizenry has handcuffed leadership by refusing to go along with anything until after hospitals are facing surges, and not even then in a lot of cases. You want things to be different, you better start telling your county health board what you expect, your state leadership and national leadership. The "we should devote as few resources to this as possible and let people lay in their own beds, let everyone else get back to normal" crew certainly are. This is the consequence.

 

[MisterPenguin]

It's not either or though.

I acknowledge that it isn't *in theory* and some, like you, will say 'both.'

But right now, in reality, only one of them is practically "on the table" as a tool (at least among leaders that care about the pandemic and science).

But that shouldn't be. If the political calculus of leaders who should be following the science is not to get constituents angry, then they should chose Strategy B, a vaccination mandate. If everyone was vaccinated and boosted then you could avoid lockdowns and stop stressing about the 20% who won't wear masks or wear them properly, because, everyone's vaccinated.