Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[The Mom]

Please remember to be civil in your responses - even if you have to figuratively bite your tongue. remember that it is not so much what you say, but how you say it, that may get a post deleted.

 

[Lilofan]

Disagree 100%. We're at the point where vaccines are available to all and you can choose to do whatever you feel is necessary to hide from COVID. Those of us who don't care about the risk and want to live our short lives to the fullest shouldn't be asked to alter our lives at all anymore.

Your mindset may change if you need immediate medical care at the ER. I've seen it with my own eyes when I went to bring a loved one to the ER.

 

[Timmay]

So when I said "From where I'm standing, a lot of these first responder issues are actually a long time coming with COVID and recent social issues just amplifying it." that wasn't close enough for you?

No. Since it wasn’t what I was taking about in my response to you. I quoted the parts I had issue with. That’s all.

 

[Andrew C]

Your mindset may change if you need immediate medical care at the ER. I've seen it with my own eyes when I went to bring a loved one to the ER.

That should less and less of an issue as time passes. Even this summer with delta, it was less of an issue compared to January for the states who experience massive surges. I would expect that path to continue.

 

[sullyinMT]

I could be wrong about them. What other vaccines was the tech used for?

Trials for influenza, certain cancers, and rabies, dating back as early as the early 90’s. Due to the pandemic nature allowing faster data collection and urgency, the current COVID vaccines are the first commercially successful deployment.

I have no qualms with acknowledging the “newness” of these vaccines. But, with the overwhelming majority of North American and European deployment being Pfizer/BNT and Moderna’s highly effective jabs, the idea of using “too new” as a reason to not get the vaccine is a different point for which I no longer have patience.

 

[LittleBuford]

Disagree 100%. We're at the point where vaccines are available to all and you can choose to do whatever you feel is necessary to hide from COVID. Those of us who don't care about the risk and want to live our short lives to the fullest shouldn't be asked to alter our lives at all anymore.

I prefer to listen to the concerns and advice of health professionals and experts, whose view of the situation is very different from yours. Like it or not, your own life can't be lived (happily or otherwise) in a vacuum; what affects society at large (an overstretched healthcare system, for instance) is bound to affect you at some point.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I prefer to listen to the concerns and advice of health professionals and experts, whose view of the situation is very different from yours. Like it or not, your own life can't be lived (happily or otherwise) in a vacuum; what affects society at large (an overstretched healthcare system, for instance) is bound to affect you at some point.

Our healthcare system is not overstretched.

 

[LittleBuford]

Our healthcare system is not overstretched.

My initial post (the one that started the exchange you're now joining) was about the UK.

 

[correcaminos]

Those who refuse vaccines *and are sick* should stay home, just like people *who are sick* should have always stayed home. "Don't go into crowds of people when you're ill" is not a new standard of social behavior that started in March 2020. People always should have been doing that.

That doesn't work though. Guess who spread covid more than once in cases I know - asymptomatic younger populations who could not be vaccinated. That's the issue, feeling sick doesn't always stop spread

I'm being also being a bit of a devil's advocate so don't take this as it's how I totally feel.

Our healthcare system is not overstretched.

Depends on the area. I think most in my state are calming but not all.

 

[correcaminos]

In ,

In this article it says Colin died from COVID complications, and they stated he was “fully vaccinated”. In the article it does say he had underlying conditions.

You are right, the article is misleading. I am not a Dr. but my guess it was his underlying conditions that killed him, not complications from COVID.

It makes you wonder, how many deaths were mislabeled “died from COVID complications” when in reality something else killed them, nothing to do with COVID or their vaccination status.

You're looking at it wrong. The other illnesses didn't kill him. Covid did. The other illnesses made for higher risk of death from covid and also higher probability that vaccines (of any sort) wouldn't be as effective.

The risk factors are contributing but not the ultimate cause. If he had not contracted covid, he would not have died at that time.

 

[DisneyCane]

I prefer to listen to the concerns and advice of health professionals and experts, whose view of the situation is very different from yours. Like it or not, your own life can't be lived (happily or otherwise) in a vacuum; what affects society at large (an overstretched healthcare system, for instance) is bound to affect you at some point.

No, you want to listen to the concerns and advice of health professionals and experts who agree with your opinions about how things should be handled.

My wife is a health professional and she agrees with me. So do others I know included a respected infectious disease specialist.

 

[LittleBuford]

No, you want to listen to the concerns and advice of health professionals and experts who agree with your opinions about how things should be handled.

My wife is a health professional and she agrees with me. So do others I know included a respected infectious disease specialist.

Experts in any field are going to disagree. I give weight to the majority view.

 

[GimpYancIent]

You're looking at it wrong. The other illnesses didn't kill him. Covid did. The other illnesses made for higher risk of death from covid and also higher probability that vaccines (of any sort) wouldn't be as effective.

The risk factors are contributing but not the ultimate cause. If he had not contracted covid, he would not have died at that time.

No. You are looking at it wrong. Your opinion is baseless as you do not have access to this mans medical records or history and are making assumptions based on others unknowledgeable opinions.

 

[MrPromey]

No. Since it wasn’t what I was taking about in my response to you. I quoted the parts I had issue with. That’s all.

Seems pretty clear to me it was talking about that.

You're free to take statements out of context any way you choose and edit the quote to leave out relevent context but because of that, I'm not going to bother talking with you any more on this.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I don't know how you don't call them new. They began to be developed 20 months ago for COVID. J&J is based on mature technology but the mRNA tech wasn't deployed until COVID. It doesn't matter how long they've been worked on. They weren't tested extensively until barely over a year ago.

Only one other viral vector vaccine was approved before the Johnson & Johnson COVID-19, their Ebola vaccine.

Those of us who don't care about the risk and want to live our short lives to the fullest shouldn't be asked to alter our lives at all anymore.

Just stop with the tough guy, “I’m not afraid” act. You’ve already admitted you get anxious when reminded there actually is a pandemic. You don’t want others reminding you of the risk.

 

[correcaminos]

No. You are looking at it wrong. Your opinion is baseless as you do not have access to this mans medical records or history and are making assumptions based on others unknowledgeable opinions.

Not my opinion on this. I'm basing this on what medical professionals have stated. Getting angry at someone because you don't like it is a waste of anger to be honest.

 

[Polkadotdress]

In ,

In this article it says Colin died from COVID complications, and they stated he was “fully vaccinated”. In the article it does say he had underlying conditions.

You are right, the article is misleading. I am not a Dr. but my guess it was his underlying conditions that killed him, not complications from COVID.

It makes you wonder, how many deaths were mislabeled “died from COVID complications” when in reality something else killed them, nothing to do with COVID or their vaccination status.

You are literally jumping from one anti-vax point to another! At first, it was "vaccinated people still die" and now it's "the numbers are being inflated."

Just...no.

 

[sullyinMT]

Our healthcare system is not overstretched.

Nationally, no. Our typical receiving centers are, though (as we are), and we recently had to call multiple centers (I think the number was 20, iirc), until finally a (new to us) Midwestern university said yes. Patient survived a precarious 4 hour flight, only to die alone, not COVID related, with family still stuck here unable to leave work behind. Had our system not been overrun by the unvaccinated, that could have been avoided. It’s why 1:4 hospitalizations for one cause for weeks on end is a real problem.

I acknowledge that’s not the norm, and we’re finally starting to see our current wave break. But this most recent surge could have been blunted with higher vaccination rates and better adherence to other mitigations.

 

[Lilofan]

In ,

In this article it says Colin died from COVID complications, and they stated he was “fully vaccinated”. In the article it does say he had underlying conditions.

You are right, the article is misleading. I am not a Dr. but my guess it was his underlying conditions that killed him, not complications from COVID.

It makes you wonder, how many deaths were mislabeled “died from COVID complications” when in reality something else killed them, nothing to do with COVID or their vaccination status.

Your guess on Colin Powell is wrong.

 

[Disstevefan1]

You're looking at it wrong. The other illnesses didn't kill him. Covid did. The other illnesses made for higher risk of death from covid and also higher probability that vaccines (of any sort) wouldn't be as effective.

The risk factors are contributing but not the ultimate cause. If he had not contracted covid, he would not have died at that time.

I am not a Dr. but I will take your word for it.

Chalk another COVID death for the "not fully vaccinated due to underlying conditions."

RIP General Powell. I thank him for his service.

What is fully vaccinated these days? Both shots plus a booster? I want to try to keep up?