Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[ToTBellHop]

I wouldn’t consider any state high vaccination. IMO. Some are just better and others.

What do you consider to be high? 80% of eligible people is pretty good. Some states are near 90% of the eligible population receiving at least 1 shot (well, eligible until yesterday). Some states do have a surprising number who received dose 1 but not 2. They need to work on that.

 

[mmascari]

Iin high vax lock down states they also had waves...just like fast and loose states. I would rather understand the risk...do what i can to mitigate it (including being vaxed) and go on with life. I am so thankful i live here in Florida.

I really wish they had more versions of "High Transmission".
1-10 Low
10-50 Moderate
50-100 Substantial
100+ High

There's a lot of difference between 101, 151, 201, ... 701 and higher.

I wish they had something like:
100-200 High
200-350 Higher
350-550 Highest
550-800 Extreme
800+ OMG That's insane.

That would give us better difference and reflect what's happening better. Instead of the entire map being one color for High, there would be 5 different colors showing the actual differences.

Hearing the line for Seven Dwarfs Mine Train is long and then finding out that it's 90 minutes, 3 hours, or 5 hours are all very different.

Every state in those graphs had a wave after June 2021. But, those waves were not all the same. The FL one is dramatically higher.

 

[sullyinMT]

Found out the kid clinic I signed up for won’t have shots this week, but I stayed up and grabbed appointments for the boys through Walgreens for Saturday morning (and 11/27). Phew!

Who needs sleep, anyway?

Same. Landed Walgreens appointments for the same dates for my 11.5 son. Come 12/11 (2 weeks post 11/27), there will be that huge sigh of relief for our immediate household.

Last step - get Europe open enough to take our Northern Europe on the Magic next summer.

 

[mmascari]

I wouldn’t consider any state high vaccination. IMO. Some are just better and others.

What do you consider to be high? 80% of eligible people is pretty good. Some states are near 90% of the eligible population receiving at least 1 shot (well, eligible until yesterday). Some states do have a surprising number who received dose 1 but not 2. They need to work on that.

The only metric that matters here is percent of population and I don't think any states are over 75% yet.

Even my county that's 99.9% of eligible one dose is only 91.3% of eligible fully vaccinated and 77.5% of population fully vaccinated and it's in a state that's 66.3% of population fully vaccinated. That 66.3% isn't enough to be "high vaccination". Even that 77.5% is probably borderline, assuming there was no interactions outside the county.

I think we're going to need at least 85% to see a real impact. It's not going to be linear either. There is going to be an inflection point where it looks like there's very little impact before that and then dramatic impact after the threshold is crossed. Before Delta, the inflection may have been around 70%-75%, but now my guess is it's above 85%.

Hopefully we'll hit the inflection point in the next 8 weeks as kids 5-11 are vaccinated and push the "of population" value higher. That could lead to a good 2022.

 

[Andrew C]

What do you consider to be high? 80% of eligible people is pretty good. Some states are near 90% of the eligible population receiving at least 1 shot (well, eligible until yesterday). Some states do have a surprising number who received dose 1 but not 2. They need to work on that.

Enough to stop surges that still occur in states deemed to have a high vax rate? Not sure what that is yet, however. I’m not making any direct comparisons to Florida here. I just think we have lowered our expectations as to what is considered a high vax rate. Or we need to readjust our expectations because even states that have the highest rates isn’t a good enough.

 

[sullyinMT]

Enough to stop surges that still occur in states deemed to have a high vax rate? Not sure what that is yet, however. I’m not making any direct comparisons to Florida here. I just think we have lowered our expectations as to what is considered a high vax rate. Or we need to readjust our expectations because even states that have the highest rates isn’t a good enough.

That’s fair, and, as mmascari pointed out, accurate. I always read the “high vax/low vax” arguments as relative to the US average.

Of course, our neighbors up north, even in AB, read those comments and are like, “Hold my Molson. I’ll show you high vax, hoser.”

 

[Disstevefan1]

Oddly enough, this could also have been written by someone who sees first responders not getting vaccinated when they should be (for their own sake) and talking about life rather than stubborn people leaving their jobs rather than be heroic* the way we count on them to be.


*that's the word you keep using, right?

You win. Stay safe.

 

[Disstevefan1]

More lies.

Especially the one about Colin Powell. I wonder why his family would lie about dying from COVID even when fully vaccinated?

 

[Timmay]

That said, whatever culture thinks it's okay to use public health as a bargaining chip sounds like a pretty messed up culture.

To that end, if a first responder is leaving their job due to burnout or because they are truly unhappy with their working conditions, I can totally understand and support that. That's what people with options do to better their own lives and some of the hiring difficulties we're seeing is due to people doing that across multiple sectors.

If they're doing it out of protest or they're using a vaccination mandate as a sticking point to make the general public pawns in their negotiating tactics with their employers for better working conditions instead, though... I'll just leave it there, too, I guess.

All of this you mention has been happening for decades. Politicians getting and giving favors by closing precincts/stations, cutting staff and funding. Officers and firefighters going on strike…none of what you mention is new. The only thing different about your characterization is Covid. Very few people care about any of what I mentioned, but Covid and vaccinations seem to make people interested real fast. Again, I’ve made my feelings about vaccinations for these groups of people very clear…but let’s stop pretending to be outraged over the use of this protest or bargaining chip when never saying anything about past incidents.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

I really wish they had more versions of "High Transmission".
1-10 Low
10-50 Moderate
50-100 Substantial
100+ High

There's a lot of difference between 101, 151, 201, ... 701 and higher.

I wish they had something like:
100-200 High
200-350 Higher
350-550 Highest
550-800 Extreme
800+ OMG That's insane.

That would give us better difference and reflect what's happening better. Instead of the entire map being one color for High, there would be 5 different colors showing the actual differences.

Hearing the line for Seven Dwarfs Mine Train is long and then finding out that it's 90 minutes, 3 hours, or 5 hours are all very different.


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Every state in those graphs had a wave after June 2021. But, those waves were not all the same. The FL one is dramatically higher.

It is unfathomable that FL has done worse WITH a vaccine than they did without it. All the people who were gloating about how great FL was doing each time their numbers came down from a spike and claimed it was proof that their method was better than other states' more restrictive methods also somehow ignore those huge 2021 spikes in cases and deaths in FL. Nobody should be patting themselves on the back over those results (or wishing their state was more like FL). Summer 2020 (some restrictions still in place) vs. Summer 2021 shows the value of mitigation efforts. I'm not arguing that all 2020 mitigations should still be in place, but attempts to ban any form of mitigation even at the local level has clearly not been in the best interests of the public's health.

 

[Andrew C]

It is unfathomable that FL has done worse WITH a vaccine than they did without it.

When you consider how delta transmits, not really.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Especially the one about Colin Powell. I wonder why his family would lie about dying from COVID even when fully vaccinated?

They didn’t lie. You’re just using his death to validate your misunderstanding of how vaccines work.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Again, honest question. Police/Fire/EMS have been required to have a handful of immunizations/vaccines for at least the last 30 years. What’s different about this one??

I really do think its the perceived double standard about the mandate. Before the mandate, these folks were valued public servants, after the mandate, vaccinate or leave, you can be easily replaced.

Cities with the mandate will lose folks, but its a small percentage.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

I really do think its the perceived double standard about the mandate. Before the mandate, these folks were valued public servants, after the mandate, vaccinate or leave, you can be easily replaced.

Cities with the mandate will lose folks, but its a small percentage.

So, nothing is different about this one.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Btw, there are published cohort studies in the OB/GYN literature that demonstrate no difference in fertility rates and fetal/baby health in vaccinated vs. unvaccinated women. So, wanting to get pregnant is not an excuse to avoid vaccination.

Anecdotally, my fully vaccinated wife is set to deliver a healthy baby in about 6 weeks.

Well congratulations!

 

[Disstevefan1]

They didn’t lie. You’re just using his death to validate your misunderstanding of how vaccines work.

You are correct. I am not a doctor or a scientist, I do not know how the COVID vaccine works. I just try to understand by ingesting all the information that is out there.

 

[lazyboy97o]

You are correct. I am not a doctor or a scientist, I do not know how the COVID vaccine works. I just try to understand by ingesting all the information that is out there.

Then maybe work on your sources so you’re not spreading lies about vaccines.

 

[Disstevefan1]

So, nothing is different about this one.

Some folks say the COVID vaccine is too new, it was rushed out, etc. But as for the mandate discussion, I think it’s about the double standard I spoke of.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

Some folks say the COVID vaccine is too new, it was rushed out, etc. But as for the mandate discussion, I think it’s about the double standard I spoke of.

Both irrational positions, IMO. Maybe if we didn’t already get vaccinated for everything under the sun as kids, but we do. The vaccine being “new” is a misperception.

 

[mmascari]

Especially the one about Colin Powell. I wonder why his family would lie about dying from COVID even when fully vaccinated?

He did die from COVID. He also received the COVID vaccination shots.

But, he wasn't "fully vaccinated" in the same sense as most people. Powell had multiple myeloma, a cancer of plasma cells that suppresses the body's immune response, as well as Parkinson's. All conditions that make the vaccine less effective, possibly not effective at all.

When that's left off and you imply that "OMG Fully Vaccinated people are dying just like Unvaccinated people" even leaving off the extra implied "so the vaccine doesn't really matter". That's a complete misrepresentation.

How about: Colin Powell died of COVID while he had existing conditions that severely reduced the ability of vaccination to protect him.

It should never be implied that his vaccination status and protection was ever just like most people's vaccination status and protection.