Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Flugell]

There isn't enough of a track record, with far too many variables, to utilize any such models as projections for what will happen here.
UK -- You can't make any conclusions, as cases are rising back up.

Israel, cases still rising. UK, rising again after a brief decline.

The only country that appears "concluded" with their Delta arc is India, but their reporting has been so problematic that you can't draw any conclusions.

Sorry but the cases today (Monday) are listed as lower than yesterday

UK records 25,161 Covid cases and 37 deaths

As many as 25,161 new coronavirus daily cases have been reported on Monday.

www.standard.co.uk

Not familiar with the paper but newest figures I could find.

 

[SammyMF]

ka-ching!!!

Stand behind me guys, I've gotten Moderna, I'll protect us!

*IF* you got a booster shot perhaps.

Which ATM isnt recommended and likely hard to get. I read that to get one there have been cases of people lying about already having the two shots before. Fears at play maybe?

 

[Timmay]

In what area of the country have you been busiest? Have you done a lot of work in Texas and Florida over the last several weeks?

What is your theory based on this anecdotal evidence? If your experience indicates that there is no hospitalization surge, no overflowing hospitals, who is lying? Every major media outlet? There isn't an outcry from Doctors that the media is lying, so is the medical establishment complicit? How many docs and nurses are pushing fake numbers? Presumably, the CDC would also be implicated? Who organized the conspiracy? To what end? How many people are involved? It would have to be at least several hundred, right?

Busy all over. I was in Houston mid July, and I currently have colleagues in central Florida this week. I myself am off tomorrow to sunny…Bismarck. Sigh…

My theory? Please…no need to be condescending. We’ve seen some hospitals with patient surge…I never said there wasn’t. I never said anyone was lying or anything of the sort. We’ve also seen hospitals with perfectly normal patient count and through put. The Houston facilities were busier than normal, but none of the staff or admins were in panic mode. Mostly due to the fact their take aways from the last 15 months have led to better procedures and implementation of those procedures.

 

[Polkadotdress]

I agree with that. It seems to grow faster than previous strains but then crash down fast too. At least based on India and the UK. In Israel the growth has been slower but that may be due to them having more adults vaccinated. It’s hard to draw firm conclusions on how the US will react. For example if cases in FL were to peak and start to drop but TX is still growing and is joined by IL or NY or PA or some other combo of larger states the National cases may not drop.

The problem?
Certain people/outlets have been saying “India went down…UK went down” as an excuse to do whatever we god damn wanted (Merican way)…and that’s a reason why we wasted a month.

remember when Israel was held up as a vaccine cure all? That was used as an assumption enough people would do it…so ima gonna do a whata I want…

did it work?

Here is an interesting article that delves into the math between the differences of the UK and US, and why we might NOT be following their Delta trajectory, and instead be following a more severe one.

Too Many People Are Dying Right Now

The trend of U.S. hospitalizations and deaths amid the Delta wave appears to be far worse that what many had expected.

www.google.com

 

[Casper Gutman]

Busy all over. I was in Houston mid July, and I currently have colleagues in central Florida this week. I myself am off tomorrow to sunny…Bismarck. Sigh…

My theory? Please…no need to be condescending. We’ve seen some hospitals with patient surge…I never said there wasn’t. I never said anyone was lying or anything of the sort. We’ve also seen hospitals with perfectly normal patient count and through put. The Houston facilities were busier than normal, but none of the staff or admins were in panic mode. Mostly due to the fact their take aways from the last 15 months have led to better procedures and implementation of those procedures.

I apologize. Because you brought up the "anecdotal evidence" during a conversation I was having with someone downplaying or dismissing the hospital surge, I misinterpreted your intent.

 

[Timmay]

I apologize. Because you brought up the "anecdotal evidence" during a conversation I was having with someone downplaying or dismissing the hospital surge, I misinterpreted your intent.

Ok, forgiven.
My intent was to simply pass on what I’m personally seeing. My own opinion is the hospitals I’ve been in that are seeing patient surge are able to handle it much better so far, simply due to experience.

 

[Lilofan]

Areas of Florida crushing previous hospitalization records. Roughly 85% of them unvaccinated.

COVID hospitalizations in Escambia County reach record-high 322

ESCAMBIA COUNTY, Fla. -- As of Monday, Escambia County has reached a record-high 322 current COVID hospitalizations. The previous high of 291 occurred in January. Caption: WEAR. Escambia County has added 54 COVID hospitalizations since Friday. Last week, the state of Florida reported an all-time...

weartv.com

If this continues, the hospital system in Florida may collapse. What a terrible thing for locals and tourists visiting.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

*IF* you got a booster shot perhaps.

Which ATM isnt recommended and likely hard to get. I read that to get one there have been cases of people lying about already having the two shots before. Fears at play maybe?

The booster is apparently needed for Pfizer, not moderna.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Here is an interesting article that delves into the math between the differences of the UK and US, and why we might NOT be following their Delta trajectory, and instead be following a more severe one.

Too Many People Are Dying Right Now

The trend of U.S. hospitalizations and deaths amid the Delta wave appears to be far worse that what many had expected.

www.google.com

Don't worry, today the government announced they may refuse to pay superintendents and school board members who mandate masking for students. So that should take care of it.

P.S: Texas just requested help from out-of-state healthcare professionals and asked hospitals to postpone all elective surgery. So those hospitals seem to be in some difficulty.

 

[SammyMF]

Unfortunately it seems the simple concept of 'motivated self-interest' takes a backseat to whats on cable or the internet.

As for not paying, I am sure these school officials would dare the government to not honor their contracts. Instant breach of contract lawsuit with high damage awards. And of course the politicians wouldnt pay. The tax payers would. Just back off and have the students wear the f)(#*$& masks for awhile until things settle back down. Its not a lot to ask. They make it seem like the schools are asking for the parents' first born.

 

[Lilofan]

If this continues, the hospital system in Florida may collapse. What a terrible thing for locals and tourists visiting.

@Jrb1979 , the laugh emoji used for a serious matter is no laughing matter.

 

[havoc315]

Sorry but the cases today (Monday) are listed as lower than yesterday

That’s not how it works. Mondays are always lower than Sunday, because Sunday is the least testing.

You compare Monday to the previous Monday. And it’s higher.

UK records 25,161 Covid cases and 37 deaths

As many as 25,161 new coronavirus daily cases have been reported on Monday.

www.standard.co.uk

Not familiar with the paper but newest figures I could find.

 

[celluloid]

In what area of the country have you been busiest? Have you done a lot of work in Texas and Florida over the last several weeks?

What is your theory based on this anecdotal evidence? If your experience indicates that there is no hospitalization surge, no overflowing hospitals, who is lying? Every major media outlet? There isn't an outcry from Doctors that the media is lying, so is the medical establishment complicit? How many docs and nurses are pushing fake numbers? Presumably, the CDC would also be implicated? Who organized the conspiracy? To what end? How many people are involved? It would have to be at least several hundred, right?

Exactly. This is the most frustrating part. Even if someone believed that all of these bad things were 3/4ths true or half truths, it would still be a terrible thing. And even if the vaccine was less effective, it would still be a great thing.

Every authority of expertise is lying in every country and circuit. That is the only way the doubters live. It reminds me of an emotional trauma thing where people cannot except bad things are happening and distance themselves form it rather than take action.

 

[Lilofan]

I only laugh cause it's what they deserve. Maybe instead of focusing on being open for business they should have focused on getting people vaccinated.

There are many in this world that exhibit poor behavior so they should not get what they deserve. You may think differently when you and your loved ones are trying to get medical attention and there is no room at the inn.

 

[lisa12000]

Just a word about the uk cases put into context

it was always expected that 19th July would cause a rise in our cases. Our own health secretary expected 100,000 cases a day by the end of July - that hasn’t happened and they don’t expect it to happen now.

we had an artificial decline because we had an artificial spike caused by the football - our own super spreader event as such - that fell off the radar pretty quickly and at the start masked any increase due to July 19th - we are starting to see that now but very slowly. I’d have bit your hand off for cases at these levels three weeks ago I have to say.

as for admissions they are bumpy and actually still down as a week on week average even up to today - they are essentially a bit flat but a large proportion of those (as reported by PHE) are those going into hospital for routine things or other emergency’s and testing positive then. Numbers in hospital are down - Mondays figures is still down on this time last week but our Sunday and
Mondays figures always spike up for some reason and then come right down again - reporting quirks I guess.

by specimen date of cases they are probably up by 1500 from this time last week - considering everthing is open, stadia are packed I would have taken that small rise as long as it remains that way.

Scientists here believe we are entering a state of equilibrium with the virus - where the number of cases remain relatively stable as do hospitalisations - they don’t think with everything open they will go low, but can’t see the massive peaks either - it will be just there, at a stable rate now in the background but with less and less susceptible over time it will not be a serious, hospital event for most. This is what living with covid is I guess.

 

[GoofGoof]

Correct, that’s what I said.

Ok I thought you said this uptick in cases in the UK was evidence that cases in the US wouldn't drop anytime soon.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Don't worry, today the government announced they may refuse to pay superintendents and school board members who mandate masking for students. So that should take care of it.

P.S: Texas just requested help from out-of-state healthcare professionals and asked hospitals to postpone all elective surgery. So those hospitals seem to be in some difficulty.

 

[Jrb1979]

There are many in this world that exhibit poor behavior so they should not get what they deserve. You may think differently when you and your loved ones are trying to get medical attention and there is no room at the inn.

Thankfully I live in a country where that rarely happens.

All I'm saying maybe those in charge should have worried note about getting people vaccinated over being open for business.


I don't feel much sympathy anymore. For a country that had access to vaccines before most and still fail is beyond words.

 

[Lilofan]

My guy (former Marine) said you would be under what he calls "intense peer pressure" to get it, called/out embarrassed in front of your company and if they still refuse he doesn't know because no one he knew refused after that.

No more peer pressure. All US military need to get the Covid vaccine by Sept 15. What a great move!

 

[ParentsOf4]

The Sturgis bike rally should have an incentive - get the vaccine for free beer

WDW is essentially 4 Sturgis' every day of the year!

Maybe WDW should offer an incentive.

"Get your first dose and get a free FastPass!"

Maybe give 1 FastPass each day if you can prove you're fully vaccinated.