Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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Casper Gutman

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I know I’ve said this before, but what is so frustrating is that this only ends one way - mandates. Mandates from every employer and many other private entities.

And yes, broad mandates from the government. We can argue about government overreach when we aren’t losing hundreds of thousands a year. During times of war, the US has frequently allowed government overreach and then reigned the government back in when the crisis has passed. COVID has killed more Americans then any war in US history. A complex web of forces, not least the fact that it’s a lot harder to get sensational visual images of a pandemic then a war, means a lot of foolish people can’t grasp the depths of the emergency. But this pandemic is very arguably as deep a crisis as any war America has faced.

I am frustrated with many - with the foot-dragging FDA, a CDC that can’t communicate a coherent message, the overly cautious administration, the click-happy mainstream media, and Disney and Universal and other multi billion dollar conglomerates too weak to use their power to lead. And I’m infuriated with performative politicians preventing mandates, violating the constitution while pretending to protect it. Politicians who thought others would do the heavy work of stopping the pandemic while they campaigned for future elections and now, as cases skyrocket and it’s clear the crisis isn’t passing, are trapped in destructive positions without the wit or courage to find a way to reverse course. I’m infuriated by pundits clinging to relevance by denigrating a vaccine they’ve certainly already taken. And I’m infuriated with a segment of the public that, out of fear, ignorance, and rage makes the positions of those pundits and politicians profitable.

This ends with mandates across the board. That’s clear. We could impose those mandates tomorrow. But instead we’ll twiddle our finger, talk nicely to people who can’t be persuaded, and let several more thousand die as the economy flounders.

Sorry, had to vent.
 

Wendy Pleakley

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I understand it’s a totally different event. I also understand it is worth it to some people. The only point I was making is the big increase in price for lower hours and a lot less offerings that will be going on COMPARED to the Halloween party.
If you think it’s worth it, got for it! Just pointing things out.🙂
Now back to Covid.

After Hours offers a very specific thing: the chance to go on rides with almost no wait times.

Guests should be able to get on more rides during that time compared to an entire day at the MK or during a Halloween party.

So it's not fair to say it has less offerings. It is different.

It offers less entertainment but it offers more rides. That's what people are paying for.

A Halloween party with a focus on entertainment commands a lower price than an event focused on getting onto rides. Different offerings, different demand. People value the ride time so the event isn't less, it arguably offers people more of what they want.
 

Casper Gutman

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Here's the link. And please keep in mind that the local media had reported that this hospital was overwhelmed and not able to admit new patients especially children thus causing completely unnecessary panic in their community.

Luckily the hospital was able to inform its community that there was no need for alarm. For many of these news media outlets it's not about reporting the facts it's just about reporting it first. and that's what is a shame and continues to drive panic


What drives the panic is a pandemic that has killed hundreds of thousands, left many more with long-term symptoms, and destroyed the economy.

The media wants the sensational and the novel. That’s a problem. But this is a hospital acknowledging there is a problem but trying to avoid panic. It is certainly not a sign that things are a-ok.

And YouTube videos of morons pretending hospitals and testing sites are empty are useless garbage.
 

DisneyDebRob

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After Hours offers a very specific thing: the chance to go on rides with almost no wait times.

Guests should be able to get on more rides during that time compared to an entire day at the MK or during a Halloween party.

So it's not fair to say it has less offerings. It is different.

It offers less entertainment but it offers more rides. That's what people are paying for.

A Halloween party with a focus on entertainment commands a lower price than an event focused on getting onto rides. Different offerings, different demand. People value the ride time so the event isn't less, it arguably offers people more of what they want.
I’ve been to both many times. I understand. I guess my point is just not getting through. 👍
 

RobbinsDad

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I know I’ve said this before, but what is so frustrating is that this only ends one way - mandates. Mandates from every employer and many other private entities.

And yes, broad mandates from the government. We can argue about government overreach when we aren’t losing hundreds of thousands a year. During times of war, the US has frequently allowed government overreach and then reigned the government back in when the crisis has passed. COVID has killed more Americans then any war in US history. A complex web of forces, not least the fact that it’s a lot harder to get sensational visual images of a pandemic then a war, means a lot of foolish people can’t grasp the depths of the emergency. But this pandemic is very arguably as deep a crisis as any war America has faced.

I am frustrated with many - with the foot-dragging FDA, a CDC that can’t communicate a coherent message, the overly cautious administration, the click-happy mainstream media, and Disney and Universal and other multi billion dollar conglomerates too weak to use their power to lead. And I’m infuriated with performative politicians preventing mandates, violating the constitution while pretending to protect it. Politicians who thought others would do the heavy work of stopping the pandemic while they campaigned for future elections and now, as cases skyrocket and it’s clear the crisis isn’t passing, are trapped in destructive positions without the wit or courage to find a way to reverse course. I’m infuriated by pundits clinging to relevance by denigrating a vaccine they’ve certainly already taken. And I’m infuriated with a segment of the public that, out of fear, ignorance, and rage makes the positions of those pundits and politicians profitable.

This ends with mandates across the board. That’s clear. We could impose those mandates tomorrow. But instead we’ll twiddle our finger, talk nicely to people who can’t be persuaded, and let several more thousand die as the economy flounders.

Sorry, had to vent.
letterkenny easter GIF by CraveTV
 

Lilofan

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My guy (former Marine) said you would be under what he calls "intense peer pressure" to get it, called/out embarrassed in front of your company and if they still refuse he doesn't know because no one he knew refused after that. 😂
Not willing to get vaccinated may not affect the platoon but if it does, one may be given a blanket party in the middle of the night.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
After Hours offers a very specific thing: the chance to go on rides with almost no wait times.

Guests should be able to get on more rides during that time compared to an entire day at the MK or during a Halloween party.

So it's not fair to say it has less offerings. It is different.

It offers less entertainment but it offers more rides. That's what people are paying for.

A Halloween party with a focus on entertainment commands a lower price than an event focused on getting onto rides. Different offerings, different demand. People value the ride time so the event isn't less, it arguably offers people more of what they want.
That’s an eride night…And those were held after a Normal operating day based on the crowds.

I have PTSD that after hours continues to be presented other than an upsell to exploit that they didn’t maintain the proper investment levels since the 90’s.

but that’s the “business” reason behind/for it
 
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Sirwalterraleigh

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After Hours events are different from the holiday parties.

Different experience, different capacity, different offering.

Whether or not it's worth it is a matter of personal opinion, but Boo Bash is not a modified Halloween party, it's a different event.
Wait…you honestly think they won’t increase capacity as the fall sets in and demand goes up (barring medical mayhem)??
…first time dealing with Disney?!? 🤪
 

havoc315

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Many are looking at the arcs this virus has experienced since day 1. Here, UK, India, whatever country you look at. Cases go up and cases go down and it’s generally a 3 month arc.

There isn't enough of a track record, with far too many variables, to utilize any such models as projections for what will happen here.
UK -- You can't make any conclusions, as cases are rising back up.

Israel, cases still rising. UK, rising again after a brief decline.

The only country that appears "concluded" with their Delta arc is India, but their reporting has been so problematic that you can't draw any conclusions.
 

havoc315

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My point is that we are always gonna have cases even with majority of the population of a specific area vaccinated. Covid is here to stay. What we want to keep at bay or to a minimum is the long covid, hospital stays, and deaths. Otherwise we will forever be locked in a vicious cycle and if we just go by case numbers; and again I reiterate, in highly vaccinated areas.

Psst... Hospitalizations and deaths are increasing. Fortunately, deaths aren't increasing to the same degree they did with prior surges. But deaths are definitely surging.

And we don't have any "highly vaccinated areas" depending on the definition -- Based on the R0 of delta, "highly vaccinated" would be about 90% of population having fully completed their series. Such figures will be impossible until the vaccine is authorized for children. Even then, we aren't close to 90% of adults fully vaccinated anywhere. In our "best" regions, we are around 70-75% of adults fully vaxed. Even that is very low, when looking at what we need for delta.
 

Casper Gutman

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Wait…you honestly think they won’t increase capacity as the fall sets in and demand goes up (barring medical mayhem)??
…first time dealing with Disney?!? 🤪
How is this event significantly different rather then significantly lesser? What distinguishes an After Hours event other then fewer offerings and less hours?
 

Disney Experience

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The military:
“We can’t make you do anything, but we can make you wish that you did.”
When I was in the Great Lakes Navy training camp going through boot camp at age 17, I remember thinking, “They can not make me do anything if I do not want to, I have free will”.

I then glanced over to a barbed wire area that was within our bootcamp. It was the brig, run by marines, and there were deep parallel gouges running up a grass hill. Long thick ropes ran alongside the gouges and on the other end, tied to the ropes was a tractor missing its treads. Guess they had those sentenced to “hard labour” working those ropes and maybe dragging the tractor. I decided to table my free will experiment.
 
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