Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[GoofGoof]

Going through the courts as it should. We will see what happens next. Wonder if something like this will end up in the SC

My guess is they would decline to hear it. I don’t see a majority of conservative justices overturning a lower court decision in favor of a Governor who is putting government imposed limitations on private businesses. Then again, who knows since they can certainly decide any way they see fit and we cannot always assume they will follow pre-defined roles. It would be very out of character for this court and could set a precedent that will be hard to walk back. They are too smart to fall in that trap.

 

[Andrew C]

My guess is they would decline to hear it. I don’t see a majority of conservative justices overturning a lower court decision in favor of a Governor who is putting government imposed limitations on private businesses. Then again, who knows since they can certainly decide any way they see fit and we cannot always assume they will follow pre-defined roles. It would be very out of character for this court and could set a precedent that will be hard to walk back. They are too smart to fall in that trap.

My question is whether there is any precedent for them to even follow. Need some legal scholars to take a break from the news stations and come in here.

 

[The Mom]

Sucks. Was there not opportunity to “build up” over the last year or so?

AFAIK, it takes a minimum of 2 years to produce an Associate Degree RN. Even an LPN takes a year - and most do not have the needed skills for the ICU. So even if nurses had started training in Sept 2020 (because schools still follow a Sept start date) and schools somehow were able to gain enough faculty, room, etc to dramatically increase their class sizes, they still wouldn't be ready until next year. And they would be "green" nurses with little experience.

And yes, there may be current nurses who are willing to travel and earn extra money, but there are more who have families, etc that they do not want to leave. Especially now that they know this could be going on for months.

 

[GoofGoof]

My question is whether there is any precedent for them to even follow. Need some legal scholars to take a break from the news stations and come in here.

I don’t really know. The Judge probably used some precedent to rule but that doesn’t mean there can’t be an argument the other way.

 

[Polkadotdress]

Sucks. Was there not opportunity to “build up” over the last year or so?

But it’s not really a matter of there not being enough supply (beds, medical staff) to meet the demand, inasmuch as the demand has far, far exceeded supply. There is no way they could have forseen this.

 

[jlhwdw]

Did that happen? I’m too lazy to read that much

Yep. Twice actually. No other closures. Just specifically that WDW should close.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Did that happen? I’m too lazy to read that much

Sort of. It’s more along the lines of... should WDW currently be open.. all things considered.

 

[LittleBuford]

Did that happen? I’m too lazy to read that much

I wrote that all Florida theme parks should be closed right now. It wasn’t a demand, of course, just my own opinion. I stand by it.

 

[Parker in NYC]

Did that happen? I’m too lazy to read that much

I said it shouldn’t be open. I forget that comments I make that upset certain persons on here tend to redirect the conversation for good.

 

[Parker in NYC]

My guess is they would decline to hear it. I don’t see a majority of conservative justices overturning a lower court decision in favor of a Governor who is putting government imposed limitations on private businesses. Then again, who knows since they can certainly decide any way they see fit and we cannot always assume they will follow pre-defined roles. It would be very out of character for this court and could set a precedent that will be hard to walk back. They are too smart to fall in that trap.

Why would they decline it? Can’t miss this opportunity to help “the cause”.

 

[GoofGoof]

Why would they decline it? Can’t miss this opportunity to help “the cause”.

What cause?

 

[Casper Gutman]

It shouldn’t be closed. We have a viable vaccine. Disney should be calling the state governments bluff and demanding guests be vaccinated. It is a sick absurdity that we are being prohibited from ending a pandemic that has killed hundreds of thousands by the ambitions of a few powerful people.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

AFAIK, it takes a minimum of 2 years to produce an Associate Degree RN. Even an LPN takes a year - and most do not have the needed skills for the ICU. So even if nurses had started training in Sept 2020 (because schools still follow a Sept start date) and schools somehow were able to gain enough faculty, room, etc to dramatically increase their class sizes, they still wouldn't be ready until next year. And they would be "green" nurses with little experience.

And yes, there may be current nurses who are willing to travel and earn extra money, but there are more who have families, etc that they do not want to leave. Especially now that they know this could be going on for months.

Personal anecdote: DH is currently in nursing school for RN. He started last August in an accelerated 18 month program. Should be done in February. And yes - green, for sure. I am hoping Covid is very much reduced by the time he gets out there. He’s fine with it either way (run into the burning building.)

 

[Tony the Tigger]

Sort of. It’s more along the lines of... should WDW currently be open.. all things considered.

I wrote that all Florida theme parks should be closed right now. It wasn’t a demand, of course, just my own opinion. I stand by it.

If the Norwegian case stands as precedent, WDW could theoretically require a vaccine, thus very much minimizing any reasons to close.

The Sun-Sentinel is framing this as “overturning the ban on vaccine passports.” If that is applied widely, businesses will need to rethink everything, including my own.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Judge rules Norwegian Cruise Line can require proof of COVID-19 vaccine despite Florida law

A federal judge ruled in favor of Norwegian Cruise Line on Sunday and will allow the cruise line to require proof of COVID-19 vaccination on cruises out of Florida.

www.wftv.com

Skimming through the injunction and it briefly references Disney’s employee vaccination requirement. As of now the law seems to be headed towards a strike down.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Skimming through the injunction and it briefly references Disney’s employee vaccination requirement. As of now the law seems to be headed towards a strike down.

It was never actually intended as legislation. It was performance.

 

[SammyMF]

I was wondering what would happen with this one. Its not a ruling. Just a delay until a ruling is made. Cant offhand think of a business that requires any kind of personal medical info to gain entry or to simply do business with customers. Other than insurance companies that is.

 

[Chi84]

I was wondering what would happen with this one. Its not a ruling. Just a delay until a ruling is made. Cant offhand think of a business that requires any kind of personal medical info to gain entry or to simply do business with customers. Other than insurance companies that is.

It’s more than a delay. There are fairly high standards that need to be met to obtain a preliminary injunction, one of which is showing a likelihood of success on the merits. The judge determined that Florida failed to establish a valid evidentiary, factual or legal basis for its ban on vaccine passports. A preliminary injunction is an extraordinary judicial remedy designed to maintain the status quo and prevent a party from suffering irreparable injury until the parties can adequately prepare for a full hearing on the case. It’s not just a delay in the sense of a continuance.

 

[Patcheslee]

AFAIK, it takes a minimum of 2 years to produce an Associate Degree RN. Even an LPN takes a year - and most do not have the needed skills for the ICU. So even if nurses had started training in Sept 2020 (because schools still follow a Sept start date) and schools somehow were able to gain enough faculty, room, etc to dramatically increase their class sizes, they still wouldn't be ready until next year. And they would be "green" nurses with little experience.

And yes, there may be current nurses who are willing to travel and earn extra money, but there are more who have families, etc that they do not want to leave. Especially now that they know this could be going on for months.

I have a friend who's a single mom and was a nurse in the hospital up until 6 months ago. With the additional hours at work she wasn't able to find childcare to cover and had to switch to a nursing job at a private practice.

 

[lewisc]

I was wondering what would happen with this one. Its not a ruling. Just a delay until a ruling is made. Cant offhand think of a business that requires any kind of personal medical info to gain entry or to simply do business with customers. Other than insurance companies that is.

Cruise ships in the past required medical information from embarking passengers. Appropriate vaccination information is required for people traveling to some parts of the world.

A ship has to make sure passengers meet the requirements of ports (vaccination) even if the passenger stays in the ship. As more ports open medical rules will vary.