Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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Disney Glimpses

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You really need to stop saying the only goals are to prevent hospitalization and death. That may have been the original goals, but we're not at the beginning of this anymore.
Public health measures have not and never will be implemented to prevent "long COVID." It's just not going to happen. As soon as hospitalizations are fully decoupled from cases, it's over. We can sit here and debate it all we like. In reality, if people aren't being hospitalized at a high rate with COVID, there will be no capacity limits, there will be no distancing, there will be no masks (we're already there).
 

MorphinePrince

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Right now the CDC is saying vaccinated people don’t need to wear masks to protect others.
No one wants to believe the CDC anymore because they aren't supporting their pro-mask and pro-lockdown agenda anymore. Funny how the "trust the science" crowd doesn't want to believe the experts anymore. LA County is shining example of stupidity by forcing vaccinated people to wear masks again when the experts said its not needed. We are so screwed.
 

TrainsOfDisney

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This is one benefit of using cases as a means to scare people into vaccination. A lot of people put it off because cases plummeted.
Many people are also hesitant about a new vaccine. When they see more and more people taking them and not having any scary side effects they will be more likely to consider getting one.

Also when reports come out about the majority of severe covid cases being in the unvaccinated, that’s another push to take a day or 2 off work and get the vaccine.

Right now the CDC is saying vaccinated people don’t need to wear masks to protect others.
And local officials in Orlando, Las Vegas, and Los Angeles are saying the opposite.
 

Disney Glimpses

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When all have an opportunity to be post-vaccination, I agree with this.
- Kids are at a lower risk of hospitalization and death from COVID than respiratory diseases that are already endemic (pre-COVID).
- Latest study shows "long COVID" in kids is rare; they couldn't find a significant difference between the infected and non-infected control group.

Everyone who is at significant risk of serious disease from COVID-19 can get vaccinated right now; with the exception of some kids with underlying conditions.
 

Jrb1979

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No one wants to believe the CDC anymore because they aren't supporting their pro-mask and pro-lockdown agenda anymore. Funny how the "trust the science" crowd doesn't want to believe the experts anymore. LA County is shining example of stupidity by forcing vaccinated people to wear masks again when the experts said its not needed. We are so screwed.
I follow the science. If you're vaccinated you don't have to wear a mask. The problem is that since no one wants to do the work to make sure those not vaccinated to wear a mask, then the answer is everyone has to wear one. It's really the only reason where I live they haven't dropped masks yet. They will when we hit 80% first dose and 70% fully vaccinated.
 

Angel Ariel

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- Kids are at a lower risk of hospitalization and death from COVID than respiratory diseases that are already endemic (pre-COVID).
- Latest study shows "long COVID" in kids is rare; they couldn't find a significant difference between the infected and non-infected control group.

Everyone who is at significant risk of serious disease from COVID-19 can get vaccinated right now; with the exception of some kids with underlying conditions.
I don’t need this quoted to me again. I was sharing my personal view only, and as the parent of a child who is literally 1 of 300 in the entire world, such impacts being “low” or “rare” is not a comfort.
 
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DisneyDebRob

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No one wants to believe the CDC anymore because they aren't supporting their pro-mask and pro-lockdown agenda anymore. Funny how the "trust the science" crowd doesn't want to believe the experts anymore. LA County is shining example of stupidity by forcing vaccinated people to wear masks again when the experts said its not needed. We are so screwed.
I trust the science. I also trust the CDC.I also trust the experts. So if you mean some people, possibly. We can’t all be lumped in together.
 
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Disney Glimpses

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I don’t need this quoted to me again. I was sharing my personal view only, and as the parent of a child who is literally 1 in 300 in the world, such impacts being “low” or “rare” is not a comfort.
I have a child with an illness that is 1 in a million, so I understand and appreciate your perspective.
 

danlb_2000

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No one wants to believe the CDC anymore because they aren't supporting their pro-mask and pro-lockdown agenda anymore. Funny how the "trust the science" crowd doesn't want to believe the experts anymore. LA County is shining example of stupidity by forcing vaccinated people to wear masks again when the experts said its not needed. We are so screwed.

We tried allowing vaccinated people to unmask while masks were still required for the unvaccinated, but that doesn't seem to be working, so I understand LA County's approach. LA county is 100% following the science, unvaccinated need to be masked, and having everyone masked is their approach to making that happen.
 

Trauma

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You don't wear a mask to protect yourself and your family. You wear a mask to protect Other People from You! (sigh)
Yeah and ?

My whole family is vaccinated.

You want protection from the sick unvaccinated guy next to you.

He doesn’t care about you or your mandates.

(sigh)
 

Disney Glimpses

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We tried allowing vaccinated people to unmask while masks were still required for the unvaccinated, but that doesn't seem to be working, so I understand LA County's approach. LA county is 100% following the science, unvaccinated need to be masked, and having everyone masked is their approach to making that happen.
But we're continuing to make it easy for the unvaccinated. The vaccinated continue to bear the weight of this pandemic and the unvaccinated go freely about their lives. That's the issue.

The truth is, if we can't stay 100% open without restrictions and let COVID run rampant, then maybe we do need an immunity passport. And not to "stop the spread" but to use it as a tool to increase vaccinations.

And I say "immunity passport" because there is no practical reason that we should not include immunity from prior infection; the data is clear. There are far more breakthrough infections in vaccinated people than people who were previously infected.
 
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