Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[MorphinePrince]

The vaccinated continue to bear the weight of this pandemic and the unvaccinated go freely about their lives.

The good guys always get punished and it frankly disgusts me so many are happily supportive of punishing people like us who did the right thing.

 

[Touchdown]

Just feel the anger in here from the vaccinated when mandates are mentioned.

This will lead to social unrest.

Dark times are ahead.

Not really because it won’t happen, not unless the three unlikely things I mentioned earlier occur and so far we have no evidence they will (other then 3 in low vaccinated areas.)

 

[Trauma]

Not really because it won’t happen, not unless the three unlikely things I mentioned earlier occur and so far we have no evidence they will (other then 3 in low vaccinated areas.)

I mean whatever makes you feel better to tell yourself.

La county disagrees with you.

 

[Trauma]

Not really because it won’t happen, not unless the three unlikely things I mentioned earlier occur and so far we have no evidence they will (other then 3 in low vaccinated areas.)

Btw I fully agree with what your saying but nothing that makes sense ends up happening.

 

[Mark52479]

I also think neither masks or distancing are returning. As soon as you do that, the vaccine campaign is over.

There are two types of people that are unvaccinated:
- immune from prior infection
- not-immune

The not-immune make up at least 80% of unvaccinated (according to latest estimates). Those people are hesitant and don't trust the government. As soon as masks/distancing comes back, we're never getting a shot in their arms.

I do agree with this and is the main reason it is very likely we will NOT see the CDC say vaccinated people must wear masks.

At that point the vaccine campaign comes to a complete stop.

I stand by what I said about Disney World. They will most likely go along with local and state rules. Since we most likely will never see any changes here in Florida or Orlando, World will continue with no masks and no social distancing.

 

[Disney Glimpses]

I mean whatever makes you feel better to tell yourself.

La county disagrees with you.

Can you provide the research LA county is using to support their mandate of masks on vaccinated people?

I love how we’re using some county health official’s personal agenda as proof of anything.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

No that should still be the goal. We have survived for thousands of years with respiratory infections that typically don’t get us sick enough to need the hospital, and will continue to do so for as long as we are a species. If the vaccine prevents people dying or needing the hospital it remains a success.

I didn't say preventing hospitalizations and deaths shouldn't be part of the goals, or that they weren't. My point is that, like the virus, goals change over time.

And this isn't just a respiratory infection...there have been discussions about whether to re-classify it.

 

[Jrb1979]

Wrong. I refuse to be punished for another year with "restrictions" because I got the vaccine.

Then vaccinated people should be pushing for vaccine passports. This nonsense of throwing up your arms and not doing anything about the rise in cases is ridiculous. The way this has been handled since day 1 you all deserve the consequences.

The good guys always get punished and it frankly disgusts me so many are happily supportive of punishing people like us who did the right thing.

Maybe focus that anger on those in charge for not doing enough for those people too lazy to get vaccinated. The CDC hasn't helped with any of this. By throwing their arms in the air and telling businesses it's up the them now to ensure those not vaccinated wear a mask. This has been screwed up since day 1 and I don't feel sorry for what's going on. I applaud LA county for doing what should have been done from the beginning. Masks stay in place til 70% of eligible people are fully vaccinated. You couldn't even get to 50% and the CDC decided Covid is over.

This is going to come of as rude but this is what you get for and celebrating that Covid is over. Right @GoofGoof

 

[Jrb1979]

Btw I fully agree with what your saying but nothing that makes sense ends up happening.

Yeah cause you all are that Covid is over.

 

[DonniePeverley]

The United States had 35% more infections than the UK which means 35% more natural immunity. They aren't apples to apples. Regardless, lockdowns are never happening again in the United States.

Our goal isn't to prevent cases. Our goal is to prevent hospitalization and death. 300,000 infections per day is similar to a normal flu season. But we need to get mortality of COVID down to or below flu. We do that with vaccination.

The UK wasn't testing / had no testing capacity during the first initial wave - which was massive.

 

[Trauma]

If I can change he topic for a second

mutations:

With the soon to be out of control spread of delta around the world is there any chance we have a mutation that makes it more contagious, so that it becomes the dominant strain, while being significantly less deadly?

If so is this statistically less likley to happen then a mutation that makes things worse?

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Can you provide the research LA county is using to support their mandate of masks on vaccinated people?

I love how we’re using some county health official’s personal agenda as proof of anything.

Here is some of the research that Las Vegas is using...

https://covid.southernnevadahealthdistrict.org/cases/breakthrough/

 

[ImperfectPixie]

I personally think vaccinated people should be protesting at the homes of those leaders who are contributing to the problem of people continuing to refuse vaccination. We all know full well who they are.

 

[MorphinePrince]

Then vaccinated people should be pushing for vaccine passports. This nonsense of throwing up your arms and not doing anything about the rise in cases is ridiculous. The way this has been handled since day 1 you all deserve the consequences.

Maybe focus that anger on those in charge for not doing enough for those people too lazy to get vaccinated. The CDC hasn't helped with any of this. By throwing their arms in the air and telling businesses it's up the them now to ensure those not vaccinated wear a mask. This has been screwed up since day 1 and I don't feel sorry for what's going on. I applaud LA county for doing what should have been done from the beginning. Masks stay in place til 70% of eligible people are fully vaccinated. You couldn't even get to 50% and the CDC decided Covid is over.

This is going to come of as rude but this is what you get for and celebrating that Covid is over. Right @GoofGoof

I mean, I don't disagree at all with this. Our government has been too cowardly to enforce anything since day one. If only we had a guy like Macron, with a backbone. And now, yet again, a year into this, those of us who complied, sacrificed, and did our part are being punished. I have a right to be angry.

 

[Angel Ariel]

If I can change he topic for a second

mutations:

With the soon to be out of control spread of delta around the world is there any chance we have a mutation that makes it more contagious, so that it becomes the dominant strain, while being significantly less deadly?

If so is this statistically less likley to happen then a mutation that makes things worse?

I don't think there's any way to predict whether a mutation will be less virulent or more...which is why we should be working to do what we need to to prevent the mutations.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

I have been sending some nasty but professional emails and phone calls to some of the leaders in NC who are doing nothing about this fiasco. We were doing so well with vax rates in the spring and now its like a nosedive.

That's awesome. I just don't think these people give a damn about letters. They need to feel scared, and obviously the virus isn't doing the job.

 

[LittleBuford]

Can you provide the research LA county is using to support their mandate of masks on vaccinated people?

I love how we’re using some county health official’s personal agenda as proof of anything.

Whatever one thinks of the policy, let’s at least be honest about why it’s happening. LA County isn’t saying that there is a medical need for vaccinated people to wear masks. The motivation is to ensure that the unvaccinated keep their masks on.

The science hasn’t changed; rather, the honour system has failed. Blanket rules are an inevitability when people refuse to do the right thing.

 

[MorphinePrince]

That's awesome. I just don't think these people give a damn about letters. They need to feel scared, and obviously the virus isn't doing the job.

In order to be scared, one has to have a soul, which these people do not.

 

[Trauma]

Then vaccinated people should be pushing for vaccine passports. This nonsense of throwing up your arms and not doing anything about the rise in cases is ridiculous. The way this has been handled since day 1 you all deserve the consequences.

Maybe focus that anger on those in charge for not doing enough for those people too lazy to get vaccinated. The CDC hasn't helped with any of this. By throwing their arms in the air and telling businesses it's up the them now to ensure those not vaccinated wear a mask. This has been screwed up since day 1 and I don't feel sorry for what's going on. I applaud LA county for doing what should have been done from the beginning. Masks stay in place til 70% of eligible people are fully vaccinated. You couldn't even get to 50% and the CDC decided Covid is over.

This is going to come of as rude but this is what you get for and celebrating that Covid is over. Right @GoofGoof

Yeah cause you all are that Covid is over.

Yeah get ahold of yourself bud. I’m not some sicko that celebrates death.

You keep going on and on about mitigation’s that only slowed the spread when this thing wasn’t 300% more contagious.

Vaccine passport?

No that’s to hard WAAAAA

Going to the freaking moon was hard

WW2 was hard

We are the U.S.A.

We do hard things

It’s time to remember that

 

[Jrb1979]

I don't think there's any way to predict whether a mutation will be less virulent or more...which is why we should be working to do what we need to to prevent the mutations.

Unfortunately that ship has sailed a long time ago. What needed to happen was a slow conservative approach to reopening til more people were vaccinated.