Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Disney Glimpses]

I’m not sure why you’re asking if you’ve actually read the article. Some excerpts:

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The soaring infections, driven by the more transmissible Delta variant, forced managers at the South Tyneside and Sunderland NHS foundation trust to ask staff to postpone holidays due to “extreme pressure” after Covid patients there increased from two to 80 in a month.​

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Infection rates have risen so fast they are about to outrun the number of first vaccinations being administered in England. The number of first jabs delivered daily is close to plateauing at about 50,000 a day leaving one in eight adults – including more than 40% of 18- to 29-year-olds – still unvaccinated.​

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But with just days to go until restrictions on indoor mass gatherings are scrapped, an alliance of 1,200 health experts endorsed a letter to the Lancet journal that demanded the government halts its plan altogether.​

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They warned the strategy “provides fertile ground for the emergence of vaccine-resistant variants”, putting the UK and the rest of the world at risk. At an emergency summit, government advisers in Israel, New Zealand and Italy were among those who sounded alarm bells about the policy.​

To me, all of this is disheartening. Perhaps you still disagree.

We need to take our focus off of infections, infections, infections. We're not "stopping" the spread anymore; that ship has sailed We need to focus our every effort on getting people vaccinated. Even if we have to pay them to do it.

Vaccine passport now!!!!!!!

Never going to happen unless you include immunity from prior infection (positive antibody test).

 

[Animaniac93-98]

The not-immune make up at least 80% of unvaccinated (according to latest estimates). Those people are hesitant and don't trust the government. As soon as masks/distancing comes back, we're never getting a shot in their arms.

If we're being realistic, anyone who hasn't got their shot by now probably isn't getting one regardless of what rules/guidelines/incentives exist.

They'll take any excuse they can get not to, but the end result is still a hard no from this group.

 

[Disney Glimpses]

If we're being realistic, anyone who hasn't got their shot by now probably isn't getting one regardless of what rules and guidelines exist.

They'll take any excuse they can get not to, but the end result is still a hard no from this group.

True. At which point we need to do an analysis to what the true IFR is (after widespread immunity from vaccination and infection) and if that IFR translates to a non-risk for healthcare system; there is no reason for mitigation techniques. COVID is then endemic and we treat it like we treat the other endemic respiratory diseases (influenza, other coronavirus strains, etc).

One day, instead of calling out of work to say "can't come in I think I have flu" you'll say "can't come in I think I have flu or covid" and it will be normal. Difference is, everyone who is sane will be vaccinated and it won't be a big deal. Our fear of getting infected with COVID cannot possibly be the same pre-vaccination as it is now post-vaccination. They couldn't be more far apart in the risk you face.

 

[KaliSplash]

Masks and social distancing LOL

Why are we still talking about this.

The people most likely to have the virus are not going to listen.

The areas of the country that will get hit worst have decided they do not care.

Yes let’s bring back masks and social distancing but let’s not pretend it’s going to be but a blip on the radar.

Good thing my 80% plus vaccinated area will be masked and socially distanced though.

Im so sick of people talking about INFERIOR forms of mitigation as the answer to the problem of people not getting vaccinated.

Have you not lived in the same world I have?

Take any masked socially distanced crowd in my area I can show you 30% or more of people not wearing the mask properly or having the equivalent of a piece of toilet paper over their mouth.

You want to be in that crowd?

You should mask and social distance all you want to protect yourself and your family.

In the face of delta, with the way this country is acting right now any mandates will cause even more chaos.

I don’t feel like having to dodge protesters and riots on the way to my socially distanced grocery store run.

Vaccine passport now!!!!!!!

You don't wear a mask to protect yourself and your family. You wear a mask to protect Other People from You! (sigh)

 

[Disney Glimpses]

You don't wear a mask to protect yourself and your family. You wear a mask to protect Other People from You! (sigh)

I've heard it both ways; from our public health officials.

 

[LittleBuford]

We need to take our focus off of infections, infections, infections. We're not "stopping" the spread anymore; that ship has sailed We need to focus our every effort on getting people vaccinated. Even if we have to pay them to do it.

The experts say otherwise, and I’m siding with them. Besides, the UK is only a few weeks away from getting millions more people vaccinated—uptake is high, hesitancy is low. “Freedom Day” could and should have been delayed to allow for this to happen.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Nevada is a mess:

"Friday was the first time the rate has surpassed 11 percent since mid-February, according to state data. The number is more than double 5.0 percent, the benchmark recommended by the World Health Organization to prevent the spread of the virus."

"As of Friday’s report, 819 people in Nevada were hospitalized with confirmed or suspected COVID-19 cases, an increase of 48 higher from the day prior. Hospitalizations are now at levels not seen since mid-February and have nearly quadrupled since reaching a recent low of 209 reported June 13, state data shows."

but is there hope?

"The only bright spot in the recent data is the state’s vaccination numbers, which state officials said Thursday have increased in recent weeks following Gov. Steve Sisolak’s announcement of the “Vax Nevada Days” prize giveaway for eligible vaccinated residents. Last week, they said, Nevada’s rate of initiated vaccinations hit 2 percent, well above the national average of 1.5 percent. And initiated vaccinations have jumped 32 percent since Sisolak’s June 17 announcement, with the greatest increase among 12- to 17-year-olds, they said."

Just over 54% of states residents 12+ have received their first dose. 45% of Clark County (aka Vegas) 12+ are fully vaccinated.

Surge in Nevada’s key COVID-19 metrics now in second month

New cases, hospitalizations and test positivity rate have risen steadily for more than a month and Clark County’s top health official says there is no sign the rise is slowing.

www.reviewjournal.com

 

[Disney Glimpses]

The experts say otherwise, and I’m siding with them. Besides, the UK is only a few weeks away from getting millions more people vaccinated—uptake is high, hesitancy is low. “Freedom Day” could and should have been delayed to allow for this to happen.

What experts say otherwise? The point of counting cases is to do something with them. What's the point of counting cases when nothing in society is changing based on them? Because literally nothing is changing. Florida cases are through the roof, not a single thing is going to change there.

 

[Bob Harlem]

What experts say otherwise? The point of counting cases is to do something with them. What's the point of counting cases when nothing in society is changing based on them? Because literally nothing is changing. Florida cases are through the roof, not a single thing is going to change there.

Except more people will want to move there if other places start doing restrictions.

 

[LittleBuford]

What experts say otherwise?

I’ve already quoted it once:

But with just days to go until restrictions on indoor mass gatherings are scrapped, an alliance of 1,200 health experts endorsed a letter to the Lancet journal that demanded the government halts its plan altogether.​

They warned the strategy “provides fertile ground for the emergence of vaccine-resistant variants”, putting the UK and the rest of the world at risk. At an emergency summit, government advisers in Israel, New Zealand and Italy were among those who sounded alarm bells about the policy.​

 

[Disney Glimpses]

I’ve already quoted it once:

But with just days to go until restrictions on indoor mass gatherings are scrapped, an alliance of 1,200 health experts endorsed a letter to the Lancet journal that demanded the government halts its plan altogether.​

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They warned the strategy “provides fertile ground for the emergence of vaccine-resistant variants”, putting the UK and the rest of the world at risk. At an emergency summit, government advisers in Israel, New Zealand and Italy were among those who sounded alarm bells about the policy.​

Ah, UK. Sorry. Yeah, that's never happening in the United States again.

 

[danlb_2000]

If we're being realistic, anyone who hasn't got their shot by now probably isn't getting one regardless of what rules/guidelines/incentives exist.

They'll take any excuse they can get not to, but the end result is still a hard no from this group.

This is clearly not true since we are still seeing a not-insignificant number of new first doses. Yes, it would be great if more people were getting first doses, but at least some people are still coming around.

 

[Disney Glimpses]

Except more people will want to move there if other places start doing restrictions.

The data shows people move away from restrictions; not towards them.

 

[Disney Glimpses]

This is clearly not true since we are still seeing a not-insignificant number of new first doses. Yes, it would be great if more people were getting first doses, but at least some people are still coming around.

This is one benefit of using cases as a means to scare people into vaccination. A lot of people put it off because cases plummeted.

 

[Chi84]

You don't wear a mask to protect yourself and your family. You wear a mask to protect Other People from You! (sigh)

Right now the CDC is saying vaccinated people don’t need to wear masks to protect others. The director is referring to the pandemic as being a pandemic of the unvaccinated. In my state, the higher numbers are in areas with low vaccination rates. I know people here (for various reasons) don’t want to hear this, but right now if people feel they need more protection than the vaccines are providing, they will probably need to be the ones wearing masks. “Others” aren’t going to do it anymore.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

The United States had 35% more infections than the UK which means 35% more natural immunity. They aren't apples to apples. Regardless, lockdowns are never happening again in the United States.

Our goal isn't to prevent cases. Our goal is to prevent hospitalization and death. 300,000 infections per day is similar to a normal flu season. But we need to get mortality of COVID down to or below flu. We do that with vaccination.

You really need to stop saying the only goals are to prevent hospitalization and death. That may have been the original goals, but we're not at the beginning of this anymore.

 

[danlb_2000]

You don't wear a mask to protect yourself and your family. You wear a mask to protect Other People from You! (sigh)

Cloth masks primarily protect others, but they do to a lesser extent protect the wearer. Also, N95 and KN95 masks are much more readily available to the general public now and these can provide even more protection to the wearer.

 

[LittleBuford]

Ah, UK. Sorry. Yeah, that's never happening in the United States again.

Why did you quote me in the first place if what’s happening in the UK is irrelevant to you?

 

[Touchdown]

You really need to stop saying the only goals are to prevent hospitalization and death. That may have been the original goals, but we're not at the beginning of this anymore.

No that should still be the goal. We have survived for thousands of years with respiratory infections that typically don’t get us sick enough to need the hospital, and will continue to do so for as long as we are a species. If the vaccine prevents people dying or needing the hospital it remains a success.

 

[danlb_2000]

Masks and social distancing LOL

Why are we still talking about this.

We are talking about it, because there are serious discussions going on in the country about certain areas returning to masking. LA County already has including Universal Hollywood.