Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[ImperfectPixie]

We did a take out from our favorite restaurant last night. All of the "paperwork" was done over the phone so it was a matter of stepping in, picking a bag up, and running back to the car - with a tip in an envelope left for our favorite server - who stood a safe distance back from the counter.

Again, I wish TBTB would use the term physical distancing - it is a better description of what we should be doing. Unless you live in a congested urban area (like NYC) you can, and should, go for a walk. Just avoid any close contact with others outside of your immediate family.

Yeah...the use of the word "social" is kind of odd. We can all still socialize online.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

I get that but they don't have twice as many people in the older age groups than China or 5 times as many as the US.

Just listing what I read.

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

We have laws against drunk driving. I suspect that the people who are being cautious about spreading this virus are the same people who don't drink and drive, smoke, etc.

Not quite fair to lump in smokers. I get it. Smoking is bad. But it's not illegal. 2nd hand smoke is a problem, but a lot of us recognize this and go out of our way as to not impact others.

Drunk Driving is illegal. Can we also lump obese people who enjoy fried food into that not cautious category?

 

[thomas998]

I wish people were this cautious or concerned about Second Hand Smoke or Drunk Driving. Someone can't stop into a low capacity low interaction coffee shop or check on a friend, but 29 people die a day in the United States from Drunk Driving Accidents alone and it is just acceptable. We can do something about that as much as we can do about this. You can argue both are selfish, that is fine. But they are both able to have a lower risk of by abiding by things.

I've thought that myself. They want the government to move heaven and earth to fight a virus that in one estimate is going to killed 480,000 Americans.. which coincidentally is the same number that die each year from tobacco either from direct use or second hand smoke.... and the half a million from tobacco is going to happen year after year after year... this virus is most likely going to be a one off event like the Hong Kong flu or Swine flu...

If people really care about human lives why don't they push the government to ban all tobacco? Instead the government just uses tobacco to raise billions in tax revenue. Lord only knows if the politicians find a way to generate tax revenue from the coronavirus it will be here forever.

 

[LittleBuford]

On a side not, does anybody have any links to articles that explain what on earth is going on in Italy with respect to this virus? They locked down the entire country ten days ago but are still clearly on the upslope of the outbreak curve and it doesn't really seem to be flattening there. I know the incubation period can be 14 days or longer but it can also be as short as two days. Surely, all of these positive tests weren't people infected before 3/9?

“The time lag between diagnosis and death is even longer — researchers have already established it takes about a month to die of covid-19. So in places where there has been poor testing (including the U.K., where testing is focused on those at risk of severe illness), deaths attributed to the coronavirus are telling us that transmission happened five weeks earlier.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/03/16/britain-coronavirus-disaster/?outputType=amp

 

[DisneyDebRob]

For sure there is overlap, it is the same root, selfishness. There are not many laws for second hand smoke, but we could improve our laws, if we get to the point of martial law of social assembly, is that any less of an infringement on freedom as prohbition?
The liquor stores remaining open and people stocking up for home after the bars closed tells you something.

Just asking because I’m confused. No laws for second hand smoke? I’m not a smoker and I know smoking is not permitted inside anywhere now, except for certain casinos. I also know that smoking outside most buildings are away from entrances. Just wondering what a “second hand smoking law” would be?

 

[The Mom]

For sure there is overlap, it is the same root, selfishness. There are not many laws for second hand smoke, but we could improve our laws, if we get to the point of martial law of social assembly, is that any less of an infringement on freedom as prohbition?
The liquor stores remaining open and people stocking up for home after the bars closed tells you something.

Smoking has been banned in most public places - of course there are laws against it. Many places will not even allow you to smoke outside. This is a huge change from one generation to another. The same with drunk driving. I'm all for people buying liquor and bringing it to there homes - which keeps them off the roads. I do not see a problem with closing bars but allowing people to purchase it for their own use at home.

 

[Josh Hendy]

On a side not, does anybody have any links to articles that explain what on earth is going on in Italy with respect to this virus?

I'm sorry I don't have a lot of facts. I'm going to speculate though it was a combination of a government that was quite open and honest about statistics (unlike China) but also incompetent or very unlucky about not testing enough to locate hotspots or infected communities in time. Additionally, maybe the public in Italy thought it was a joke at first and didn't respect isolation and quarantine.

Financially, Italy has always been pathetic and never should have been allowed to either join or remain in the Eurozone ... except it benefited big banks in Germany, France etc. to have a large hapless, insolvent neighbor to lend b€llion$ every year. Even going back to post WW2 they funded reconstruction by forging their own govt bonds and keeping 2 sets of books So you can imagine a country that superficially looks 1st world but underneath has chronically underfunded services.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

I've thought that myself. They want the government to move heaven and earth to fight a virus that in one estimate is going to killed 480,000 Americans.. which coincidentally is the same number that die each year from tobacco either from direct use or second hand smoke.... and the half a million from tobacco is going to happen year after year after year... this virus is most likely going to be a one off event like the Hong Kong flu or Swine flu...

If people really care about human lives why don't they push the government to ban all tobacco? Instead the government just uses tobacco to raise billions in tax revenue. Lord only knows if the politicians find a way to generate tax revenue from the coronavirus it will be here forever.

As they use alcohol the same way. Making to much tax revenue off of it so neither will be banned.

 

[21stamps]

DeWine just finished speaking. No quarantine. National Guard is assisting with things like groceries, not keep people confined in their homes... and....he made...No announcement of extended school closures!!!

I can breathe again.

 

[celluloid]

Not quite fair to lump in smokers. I get it. Smoking is bad. But it's not illegal. 2nd hand smoke is a problem, but a lot of us recognize this and go out of our way as to not impact others.

Drunk Driving is illegal. Can we also lump obese people who enjoy fried food into that not cautious category?

Just to clarify and seperate myself from what mom posted I said second hand smoke.

As for your second point, for sure, when obesity is from bad parenting and such and it is terribly sad whenever someone's unhealthy choices take their families so soon. With Drunk Driving, an average of 29 deaths a day in just the United States causes more heartache and injustice than this virus ever will.

 

[The Mom]

Not quite fair to lump in smokers. I get it. Smoking is bad. But it's not illegal. 2nd hand smoke is a problem, but a lot of us recognize this and go out of our way as to not impact others.

Drunk Driving is illegal. Can we also lump obese people who enjoy fried food into that not cautious category?

Sorry, I should have been more specific because we were discussing second hand smoke. The people who disregard no- smoking areas might be likely to disregard other guidelines.

 

[thomas998]

I get that but they don't have twice as many people in the older age groups than China or 5 times as many as the US.

You might also want to factor in the percent that smoke as it impacts the lungs which makes it more likely to result in a bad experience with the virus... Italy as 24% of the population, the US has 14%..China overall is 27% but even more heavily skewed to males that smoke and females not which may also account for the skewed deaths in China that were more male than female.

 

[WEDway Inc & Company LLC]

TMZ and others are reporting. Quite awful.

 

[celluloid]

Just asking because I’m confused. No laws for second hand smoke? I’m not a smoker and I know smoking is not permitted inside anywhere now, except for certain casinos. I also know that smoking outside most buildings are away from entrances. Just wondering what a “second hand smoking law” would be?

You are confused because you read no laws as not many. People can still smoke in their vehicles with kids in many states or at home in same roof as their children.

 

[natatomic]

Sad for his family and friends. Hopefully some of the younger generation out on beaches and partying see this and come to their senses.

The people on the beach are still late teenagers and young 20-somethings, and 34 is still ancient to them. This won’t stop them.

 

[LittleBuford]

DeWine just finished speaking. No quarantine. National Guard is assisting with things like groceries, not keep people confined in their homes... and....he made...No announcement of extended school closures!!!

I can breathe again.

I’m honestly not saying this to goad you, but I think you should start preparing for the fact that school closures will indeed be extended. There is a pattern emerging, and it’s better to plan for it rather than hope against hope that your son’s school isn’t going to be affected.

 

[The Mom]

Not quite fair to lump in smokers. I get it. Smoking is bad. But it's not illegal. 2nd hand smoke is a problem, but a lot of us recognize this and go out of our way as to not impact others.

Drunk Driving is illegal. Can we also lump obese people who enjoy fried food into that not cautious category?

Yes, we could lump them in. Except that some obese person eating fried chicken is not going to kill me, or harm my health. Nor is someone who obeys DUI laws (including other drugs) and no-smoking areas.

People may be harming their children through these actions - even in the privacy of their homes. That will probably become an issue and may eventually be under the umbrella of child endangerment. As I mentioned, our society has drastically changed its attitude to certain behaviors in just a generation, so I have no doubt that things we tolerate today will be unacceptable in a few decades.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

You are confused because you read no laws as not many. People can still smoke in their vehicles with kids in many states or at home in same roof as their children.

Didn’t realize you were talking about smoking in a car with kids or at home with them. Was never mentioned. I’m not that confused, just responding to what I read. Although my wife may agree with you.

 

[thomas998]

Not quite fair to lump in smokers. I get it. Smoking is bad. But it's not illegal. 2nd hand smoke is a problem, but a lot of us recognize this and go out of our way as to not impact others.

Drunk Driving is illegal. Can we also lump obese people who enjoy fried food into that not cautious category?

To me if someone wants to smoke and it only hurt them, smoke away... just like if someone want to kill themself, go for it as long as you don't decide to do it by putting others at risk.

Of course the simple fact is smoking isn't only impacting the smoker. You have second hand victims, and worse are the parents that smoke around their kids who have no ability to simply leave the area.