Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[correcaminos]

Our kids must be about the same age, because I experienced the same thing with my then-toddler in reverse: first H1N1 shot with the pediatrician; second shot at a city-sponsored health clinic.

Mine is just turned 13. So was just under 2 during that time. I was glad to only have to do a clinic for one shot since first attempts failed!

 

[CatesMom]

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Mine is just turned 13. So was just under 2 during that time. I was glad to only have to do a clinic for one shot since first attempts failed!

And mine is 13 in a few weeks, so yes, we faced the same concerns at the same time. In my area, at least, pediatricians were only allotted one vaccine dose per child, so that all parents had to find the second dose elsewhere. The public shot clinic was a great resource for getting the second dose, but a chaotic mess; most certainly what we would call a "super spreader" event today with parents and toddlers crammed into all available spaces.

 

[Jwink]

Scale back what?

Bars and lacrosse crowds?

Jeez...where are you?

What do you mean? I think Florida is in dire straits and needs to go back to phase 2 which limits indoor dining, bars, etc. I think our governor needs to let the local officials impose fines on those who aren’t wearing masks, or mandate masks in general.

 

[Jwink]

Are you going to help fund this? They did this once before, remember? Things didn't get better, a month turned into four, and the economic damage to the company (and Central Florida area) could take a decade to heal.

Things aren't going to be better in a month. If they close because of the numbers they'll be closed through April or May at best. With California closed for a year now, the company literally can not afford to do this dream scenario many of you want. They need to stay open and bring in a bit of revenue to survive. They can close. But the layoffs and fallout from a second closure would be catastrophic. I don't know how anyone can think they can just have the ability close for "x" amount of time (or indefinitely) and pay everyone when regular cash flow has been gone now for nearly a year.

Things didn’t get better because of inadequate leadership and opening WAY too fast and WAY too soon... and not waiting until the state had met the cdc guidelines for moving to the next phase... remember when Florida was in the 1,000’s after the summer spike? Now we are around 16-19k a day and nobody bats an eye

 

[Jwink]

California is essentially shut down. Cases are worse there than in Florida where we're 75% business as usual.

In no way am I saying things should be opened up 100% and the heck with everything. Florida should absolutely be doing more. But Walt Disney World being open responsibly is not the problem a few on these forums want to believe it is.

Cases in California are much less per 100,000 (or million? I can’t remember ) than florida ... so we are actually doing much worse.... with no masks and I don’t know what you mean by 75%... everywhere I know of is at 100%

 

[correcaminos]

And mine is 13 in a few weeks, so yes, we faced the same concerns at the same time. In my area, at least, pediatricians were only allotted one vaccine dose per child, so that all parents had to find the second dose elsewhere. The public shot clinic was a great resource for getting the second dose, but a chaotic mess; most certainly what we would call a "super spreader" event today with parents and toddlers crammed into all available spaces.

Yes, they were horrible. My child turned 2 right when the second shot was due and our had shots at that point. So time wise it was good for us. I missed a few clinics and one was a bust. Closely packed, long lines. The one at the air location had shared busses across the airfield from the parking. Not fun... I actually prefer the hours calling and refreshing to the clinics in 2009.

I'm covered one way or another but soon we'll deal with my dad and spouse. Eventually the offspring once that part of the trial is completed.

 

[The Mom]

And mine is 13 in a few weeks, so yes, we faced the same concerns at the same time. In my area, at least, pediatricians were only allotted one vaccine dose per child, so that all parents had to find the second dose elsewhere. The public shot clinic was a great resource for getting the second dose, but a chaotic mess; most certainly what we would call a "super spreader" event today with parents and toddlers crammed into all available spaces.

I wonder if some areas were hit harder, so greater efforts were being made to get the vaccines out in those areas? FL may have had few cases so the bulk of the vaccines were sent to areas that needed it more?

My husband was working as a Pediatric specialist at the time and has no recollection of anything more than the usual seasonal flu precautions at his large multi-specialty clinic (think Mayo size - in fact he trained numerous Mayo residents).

So this area may have been spared.

 

[GoofGoof]

I wonder if some areas were hit harder, so greater efforts were being made to get the vaccines out in those areas? FL may have had few cases so the bulk of the vaccines were sent to areas that needed it more?

My husband was working as a Pediatric specialist at the time and has no recollection of anything more than the usual seasonal flu precautions at his large multi-specialty clinic (think Mayo size - in fact he trained numerous Mayo residents).

So this area may have been spared.

My FIL lives in FL and did at that time too and he can’t even remember anyone getting an H1N1 vaccine. He would have been in his 60s at the time so higher risk and he doesn’t even remember his doctor mentioning it. It‘s possible it was different in different areas.

 

[Patcheslee]

Kids under 5 and those over 60 were seen as at high risk. Children especially under 2 were viewed as at risk for severe disease. I wouldn't expect parents of middle or HS students to have been told to worry about it. If my kid had been older, it wouldn't have been a blip on my radar. Given mine was in the highest group, we were among those who waited hours to be vaccinated.

I don't remember anything about that time period or doctor saying anything at my daughters multiple appointments. She would have been in for her 4 mo, 6mp, and 12mo shots during that timeframe.
Didn't have internet or TV so didn’t keep up with news then.

 

[DisneyCane]

Cases in California are much less per 100,000 (or million? I can’t remember ) than florida ... so we are actually doing much worse.... with no masks and I don’t know what you mean by 75%... everywhere I know of is at 100%

Per CDC, since the beginning cases per 100,000:

Florida - 6,628
California - 6,501 (1.9% lower)

Per CDC, avg cases per day per 100,000 last 7 days:

Florida - 81.8
California - 99.8 (22% higher)

I don't see Florida as "doing much worse" either overall or recently. I also don't know what you are talking about with "no masks." Every national business has a mask requirement. Everywhere I've been in FL there is extremely high compliance in every place that requires them and with the non-enforceable local mandates. 70% of people wear them outdoors at the Costco gas station.

Municipalities in FL can, and do, limit indoor capacity so I'm not sure where in FL you are that has apparently gone back to pre-COVID.

 

[seabreezept813]

I had 3 kids, grade school, middle school and high school age in 2009. I remember being aware of H1N1 but don't recall being overly focused on it. There was certainly no communication from school about it. One of my son's middle school friends had it and while concerning, it wasn't a big deal for him or us (out of fear of having been exposed).

What I do recall about that season was just how short the supply of H1N1 vaccine was. My parents were older even then, and I recall hoping they could find the vaccine (I think they eventually did).

We just got the regular flu vaccine that year since it's all we could get ahold of.

I was in college during h1n1 and had a scary near death experience with dvt and pes a few months before the vaccine came out. I remember getting a call because I was on the university’s priority list once they came in.. what blows my mind is going to a large state college , nothing changed from the norm, massive frat parties, lecture classes, etc. Most people were generally unaware that it was any threat.

 

[correcaminos]

I don't remember anything about that time period or doctor saying anything at my daughters multiple appointments. She would have been in for her 4 mo, 6mp, and 12mo shots during that timeframe.
Didn't have internet or TV so didn’t keep up with news then.

Little ones under a certain age couldn't get them, so yours were too young from what I recall. No flu shot is ever given under 6 months. It was really only summer and fall we were getting the shots here. Even my husband didn't rush to get the vaccine, only me and him. The kid I cared for was an infant and too young to get the shot.

Edit: looking at records I tried end of summer to get into clinics. Took me until early Nov to get the shots. Early Dec for the second dose for my kid in 2009.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

What do you mean? I think Florida is in dire straits and needs to go back to phase 2 which limits indoor dining, bars, etc. I think our governor needs to let the local officials impose fines on those who aren’t wearing masks, or mandate masks in general.

Sorry...totally took that the wrong way.

I agree. I also think Florida has been tempting the fates since day 1

 

[Jwink]

Sorry...totally took that the wrong way.

I agree. I also think Florida has been tempting the fates since day 1

Oh I’ll have to re-read it but I am guessing we are in agreement that Florida be crazy lol

 

[Patcheslee]

Little ones under a certain age couldn't get them, so yours were too young from what I recall. No flu shot is ever given under 6 months. It was really only summer and fall we were getting the shots here. Even my husband didn't rush to get the vaccine, only me and him. The kid I cared for was an infant and too young to get the shot.

Edit: looking at records I tried end of summer to get into clinics. Took me until early Nov to get the shots. Early Dec for the second dose for my kid in 2009.

You would think the doctor would have at least mentioned the flu was really dangerous that year or I needed to be careful taking her places considering she was too young for the vaccine. Just frustrating to know her doctor at the time was more concerned with quantity of patients vs quality of care.
Thank God we were finally were able to switch this past year.

 

[correcaminos]

You would think the doctor would have at least mentioned the flu was really dangerous that year or I needed to be careful taking her places considering she was too young for the vaccine. Just frustrating to know her doctor at the time was more concerned with quantity of patients vs quality of care.
Thank God we were finally were able to switch this past year.

I can understand that feeling. I know our pediatrician office was up on informing us what was going on. They were the ones who pointed me to a few clinics. Finding a good doctor is tough sometimes.

 

[techgeek]

We haven't had national mass inoculations in over 50 years, so there are very few - if any - people who have dealt with the logistics of doing this. Having a plan in writing, and actually instituting it are two very different things. Plans do not (and cannot) take every variable into consideration.

After we had this dialogue this morning, I went and saw this on WaPo this evening, perspective from a county manager in Lee county (should be paywall free):

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/01/09/covid-vaccine-rollout-florida-challenges/?arc404=true

... so, if it sounds like everyone is making it up on the fly, apparently it's because they are. It's a sobering perspective when it comes to the logistical realities.

 

[The Mom]

Per CDC, since the beginning cases per 100,000:

Florida - 6,628
California - 6,501 (1.9% lower)

Per CDC, avg cases per day per 100,000 last 7 days:

Florida - 81.8
California - 99.8 (22% higher)

I don't see Florida as "doing much worse" either overall or recently. I also don't know what you are talking about with "no masks." Every national business has a mask requirement. Everywhere I've been in FL there is extremely high compliance in every place that requires them and with the non-enforceable local mandates. 70% of people wear them outdoors at the Costco gas station.

Municipalities in FL can, and do, limit indoor capacity so I'm not sure where in FL you are that has apparently gone back to pre-COVID.

I think it varies from place to place, and even within cities and counties. I have been wearing a mask, as has everyone I've encountered in public. But, I don't go to bars, clubs, etc or attend sporting/concerts or other spectator events so do not know about that mask wearing. I would definitely not go to any theme parks, etc.

But I know that the Miami area has been having problems with compliance from day 1.

 

[Miss Bella]

I had a teenager (16) at that time, so apparently no one was concerned about him then as nothing was sent home from school nor was anything mentioned in the local media. I do not remember all of the national attention, nor did we have the same restrictions for everyone - did children have to stay home and wear masks? Locally, everything went on as usual. Because our school year ends much earlier than most states (May) and it doesn't get cooler until November, we may have been spared the number of cases happening elsewhere so it wasn't deemed necessary to have local mass inoculations..

My kids were five and six and I never gave it much thought. I remember there was maybe a month of media hysteria when the virus was discovered, but that was about it.

 

[Jwink]

Update on my cousin’s FIL

He had been on the vent for 3 days (I think?) his kidneys showed some improvement so they delayed dialysis for now.

They were able to wean him down to 60% on the vent and are debating waking him up to see how well he can breathe on his own.