Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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1HAPPYGHOSTHOST

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Update on my cousin’s FIL

He had been on the vent for 3 days (I think?) his kidneys showed some improvement so they delayed dialysis for now.

They were able to wean him down to 60% on the vent and are debating waking him up to see how well he can breathe on his own.
🤞🏻🤞🏻
I pray for the best. my uncle was taken off a vent and was able to finally go home but he has a long road to recover fully from covid.
 

Disney Experience

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Pretty good news. 30-40% of Americans will have antibodies one way or another by the end of the month.
The first milestone I will be happy to see (even if it had no real importance) is when number vaccinated in a day exceeds number of new covid cases in a day. I will feel the vaccine is in the lead then. Arbitrary, but one I look forward in seeing in the future.

We are nowhere near that number now.
(Edit: We exceed it for Florida, but not for the world)
 
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Disney Experience

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The first milestone I will be happy to see (even if it had no real importance) is when number vaccinated in a day exceeds number of new covid cases in a day. I will feel the vaccine is in the lead then. Arbitrary, but one I look forward in seeing in the future.

We are nowhere near that number now.
Hmm, just relooked at @DCBaker post with number positive and number vaccinated in Florida. The number vaccinated does exceed number positive on a day to day basis. For the world it likely does not.

Guess I was more thinking about total reported covid vs total vaccinated in Florida. But with daily vaccinated exceeding daily newly reported covid cases we are on our way to that milestone too.

If you include covid cases that are asymptomatic , the subjects did not get tested, and then assume that there are two times as many of those cases vs reported cases, as the article about hoped for immunity assumed, then we have not exceeded the daily covid total with daily vaccinated yet in Florida.
 
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Sirwalterraleigh

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I wouldn't say it didn't kill anyone, but that wasn't what the content of the discussion was about.

Any comparisons to covid to downplay its significance - and anything similar to “nobody was making a big deal out of that...” is downplaying it - are wrong.

H1N1 had an attributed worldwide death toll of 12,500.

What is the point of not saying this crisis is unique, worse, and the US government has failed?

Because it’s true...it always will be true...and that’s what it is.

And travel is a bad idea...stay the course. All the “discussions” are dancing around the same thing.

We’re bored and tired...got it.
 

Miss Bella

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Any comparisons to covid to downplay its significance - and anything similar to “nobody was making a big deal out of that...” is downplaying it - are wrong.

H1N1 had an attributed worldwide death toll of 12,500.

What is the point of not saying this crisis is unique, worse, and the US government has failed?

Because it’s true...it always will be true...and that’s what it is.

And travel is a bad idea...stay the course. All the “discussions” are dancing around the same thing.

We’re bored and tired...got it.
I know you like to take every opportunity to discredit anything I type, but did you even bother to read the content of the conversation. It really had nothing to do with comparing the viruses. I was basically just agreeing with The Mom that there was very little concern about H1N1 in the schools.
 

GoofGoof

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Hmm, just relooked at @DCBaker post with number positive and number vaccinated in Florida. The number vaccinated does exceed number positive on a day to day basis. For the world it likely does not.

Guess I was more thinking about total reported covid vs total vaccinated in Florida. But with daily vaccinated exceeding daily newly reported covid cases we are on our way to that milestone too.

If you include covid cases that are asymptomatic , the subjects did not get tested, and then assume that there are two times as many of those cases vs reported cases, as the article about hoped for immunity assumed, then we have not exceeded the daily covid total with daily vaccinated yet in Florida.
Once we get to 1M+ people vaccinated a day (long term goal may be 2 to 3 times that), god willing, we will have many more people vaccinated a day then testing positive or even positive but asymptomatic and untested. By the end of January if we have 10% of population vaccinated and then the JnJ vaccine comes through I think we could see a quick ramp up in Feb/Mar. By only needing 1 shot and done that vaccine is more suited to mass vaccine sites where you vaccinate until you run out. There’s a lot less logistics to worry about. We will be into the phase 1C group by then with many millions eligible and hopefully the states will have their kinks worked out and plenty of money to fund vaccine sites. I think we have a real opportunity to catch up. A lot hinges on getting that JnJ vaccine approved before end of Feb. It seems kinda crazy that so much rides on a 3rd vaccine considering we were just praying one would work out this summer. We will get there one way or the other it’s just a matter of how fast.
 

GoofGoof

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I know you like to take every opportunity to discredit anything I type, but did you even bother to read the content of the conversation. It really had nothing to do with comparing the viruses. I was basically just agreeing with The Mom that there was very little concern about H1N1 in the schools.
That seems to happen a lot around here. At this point it’s mostly all been said on Covid itself. Some people think it’s no big deal, some think it is. Nobody is changing their mind.

On H1N1 90M+ Americans got the vaccine and when it was rolled out it was limited to high risk groups which were children, pregnant woman and the elderly along with front line healthcare workers. Children under 9 were recommended to get the nasal spray version which was later discontinued. By the time it was available to anyone who wanted it, it was already February and the flu season had passed so many people didn’t bother getting it. The majority of those 90M people vaccinated were in the high risk groups. None of this is my opinion, you can Google the H1N1 vaccine 2009 and find something very similar.
 

Disstevefan1

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I disagree. Where the governments have invested in rail transit there is great rail transit. (North east corridor, California, North Carolina, Michigan, etc.).
If we can get past all the costly planning, impact studies, litigation and other red tape and get a line up and running and if it can gain enough ridership to be meaningful even if it loses money, it’s good.

It would be great if a line earned more than it costs to run (like a private business), but that is a dream.
 

_caleb

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That seems to happen a lot around here. At this point it’s mostly all been said on Covid itself. Some people think it’s no big deal, some think it is. Nobody is changing their mind.
The reason the conversation continues is that the situation across the country continues to devolve.

People are sick and dying. Hospitals are beyond capacity. All of these things are evidence that the deniers, the economy-firsters, and the “you’ve got to live life” crowd were initially wrong about things. That’s fine, there was a lot we didn’t know about the virus and its effects for a long while there.

So we kept discussing, going round and round with our arguments, and despite the mounting evidence that our response has been inadequate, the downplayers (many consider themselves realists) continued to second-guess the science, compare the virus to lesser threats, and complain about restrictions that too few are actually adhering to.

Eventually, we have to acknowledge that those same people actually share some responsibility for the situation we’re in. By scoffing, mocking, belittling, and politicizing, they helped create an environment where it’s somehow ok to continue posting half-truths, lies, and alternative facts in support of the narrative that is holding us in the current pattern.

This is a WDW fan forum. That may be what (all?) we have in common. But the pandemic has revealed much about who we are and how differently we see the world. I continue to post here not to try to convince others, but to work things out in my own mind. The nonsensical stuff I‘ve read here, posted directly by people who actually believe all of it, has helped solidify my positions.
 

_caleb

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I was a Cast Member for years. The treatment even in the "good times" is mediocre at best. But you can't continue furlough forever and pay health insurance for people that aren't working when money isn't coming in. Many Cast Members are on alternative assignment if they have the seniority/work class to be guaranteed a spot if their home location is still closed. And why would you make up pretend work in "special projects" and then pay people for doing made up work?
You‘re right that you can’t continue furlough forever. But they didn’t fight too hard to continue it after the government stopped paying. They didn’t even push for the PPP to continue, as far as I’m aware.

“Special projects” could be anything, but certainly not “pretend work.” I mentioned the marketing budget particularly, because so many CMs could have been mobilized (with minimal training) to engage in some aspect of promotion of the brand or its products. Creative folks who cared about CMs could have found other things for people to do that would keep them productive and offset the costs of continued pay during the closures.

The positive PR from better treatment of CMs alone would be worth a lot in terms of customer loyalty. I HATED the “buy a brick” thing they did at Epcot and in the DL/DCA esplanade, but a “buy a brick to support our CM’s“ could have been another way to build community among fans and provide some support to CM’s.
For the greater good of Central Florida and the Walt Disney Co, Walt Disney World must stay open. Any future closures (outside of the usual 1-2 day weather closures for hurricanes) will be seen as a sign of "going backward" and the layoffs and revenue loss will be exponentially worse than it was in 2020. Everything in the power of those that have it needs to ensure Walt Disney World does not have a Spring 2020 style closure ever again.
Fear of appearing to “go backward” has probably kept lots of people from doing the right thing.

In my opinion, taking care of CMs is the smartest business decision Disney could make. It’s really expensive and risky to interview, hire, orient, and train new CMs, and their on-the-job experience is the most valuable thing they’ve got. I just wish the Company recognized that and behaved accordingly.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

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I know you like to take every opportunity to discredit anything I type, but did you even bother to read the content of the conversation. It really had nothing to do with comparing the viruses. I was basically just agreeing with The Mom that there was very little concern about H1N1 in the schools.

Because there’s no comparison and it’s pointless.

I have no agenda to discredit you. It’s not necessary. Keep on Keepin’ On
 

GoofGoof

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The reason the conversation continues is that the situation across the country continues to devolve.

People are sick and dying. Hospitals are beyond capacity. All of these things are evidence that the deniers, the economy-firsters, and the “you’ve got to live life” crowd were initially wrong about things. That’s fine, there was a lot we didn’t know about the virus and its effects for a long while there.

So we kept discussing, going round and round with our arguments, and despite the mounting evidence that our response has been inadequate, the downplayers (many consider themselves realists) continued to second-guess the science, compare the virus to lesser threats, and complain about restrictions that too few are actually adhering to.

Eventually, we have to acknowledge that those same people actually share some responsibility for the situation we’re in. By scoffing, mocking, belittling, and politicizing, they helped create an environment where it’s somehow ok to continue posting half-truths, lies, and alternative facts in support of the narrative that is holding us in the current pattern.

This is a WDW fan forum. That may be what (all?) we have in common. But the pandemic has revealed much about who we are and how differently we see the world. I continue to post here not to try to convince others, but to work things out in my own mind. The nonsensical stuff I‘ve read here, posted directly by people who actually believe all of it, has helped solidify my positions.
I get that and don’t disagree, but there are people who just don’t agree. If you think Covid is no big deal you aren’t going to change your actions or hurry to get a vaccine. It is what it is. We can’t make everyone think the same way. I have no issue with people having different opinions. Most of the people here who generally downplay Covid also say they follow the rules when in public. What I have a bigger problem with is government leaders downplaying it. There are many people who still base their actions on what recommendations public officials put out. I think it’s dangerous for a governor or the president to downplay Covid. They should be encouraging people to follow recommendations unilaterally. Mixed messages are a big part of the problem.
 

_caleb

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I get that and don’t disagree, but there are people who just don’t agree. If you think Covid is no big deal you aren’t going to change your actions or hurry to get a vaccine. It is what it is. We can’t make everyone think the same way. I have no issue with people having different opinions. Most of the people here who generally downplay Covid also say they follow the rules when in public. What I have a bigger problem with is government leaders downplaying it. There are many people who still base their actions on what recommendations public officials put out. I think it’s dangerous for a governor or the president to downplay Covid. They should be encouraging people to follow recommendations unilaterally. Mixed messages are a big part of the problem.

I agree, but again, I don’t post here to try to convince anyone. I’m genuinely trying to sort all of this out in my own head. I know there isn’t anything I could post here that’s going to make people think or act differently. When I push back on ideas posted here, it’s because I’m processing: reacting to information, considering others’ opinions, and reacting to things that don’t seem right or helpful. I‘ve always hoped that would be something we, as Disney parks fans, could do together here.
 

DisneyDebRob

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I agree, but again, I don’t post here to try to convince anyone. I’m genuinely trying to sort all of this out in my own head. I know there isn’t anything I could post here that’s going to make people think or act differently. When I push back on ideas posted here, it’s because I’m processing: reacting to information, considering others’ opinions, and reacting to things that don’t seem right or helpful. I‘ve always hoped that would be something we, as Disney parks fans, could do together here.
I have changed my mind on things posted here.. once I do a deep dive into what someone said and researching it. It’s always good to keep a open mind. The problem is some are so dug into their belief of what’s is right and what should be done that makes for a lot of the frustration and back and forth here.
We all have opinions and that’s fine. The only things that should be pushed back on from people are blatant lies.. or alternative facts as they are being called now. That’s not good for anyone.
 
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