Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[The Mom]

Good luck! I know it was daunting to help my MIL. She is no dummy, but needed the help so this is very good advice.

That said H1N1 did have mass inoculations. My kid was nearly 2 when it started. We got shut out after waiting hours in line. Second time I tried we were sucessful. Having a 22 month old kid during that wait was horrible. It did get better. By the time he needed his 2nd dose we could schedule it with his pediatrician

But that wasn't the case Nationally - they were happening in hot spots, but not all over the US. There were not any in my area.

 

[Disstevefan1]

You’re against tax money going to transportation? Talk about killing the economy... how do people get to Disney!!!!

There you go again... I never said I was against high speed rail. You said that. It would be a dream to have say a monorail run say in the median on I4 in FL for example. I also would love to see WDW to expand its monorail system.

But the reality is, we have seen the government try this over and over and it failed there is simply too much waste, too much useless spending.

A good example of a private company doing great things is SpaceX! The only way the US will get back to the moon and on to Mars is SpaceX! Musk is can be sort of a nut sometimes but I think all geniuses are a little nuts too.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

But the reality is, we have seen the government try this over and over and it failed there is simply too much waste, too much useless spending.

I disagree. Where the governments have invested in rail transit there is great rail transit. (North east corridor, California, North Carolina, Michigan, etc.).

 

[correcaminos]

But that wasn't the case Nationally - they were happening in hot spots, but not all over the US. There were not any in my area.

It was national and labeled as a national emergency by Obama in 2009. The difference was the ages. It was done here in the US across the country but only for the specific ages. I am going to guess you just didn't have to worry for other reasons, like I got it as did my toddler, but my husband and dad did not get the shot when it was first available. National Guard offered up an air installation in order to get kids vaccinated. If you didn't have a young child during 2009 I doubt you would realize how scary it was for us parents at that time. Here's an article that talked about it some and compared it to the current pandemic. https://www.healthline.com/health-n...c#H1N1-vaccine-shortages-and-miscommunication
Edit: another that even showed Obama getting the shot. It was serious for many and not just locally https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/danvergano/coronavirus-vaccine-h1n1-biden-trump

So no, this wasn't the first, nor will it be the last. Feel lucky if you didn't have to go through the stress of that one. As a parent H1N1 was terrifying especially since fertility and pregnancy losses were fresh on my brain. As someone with a teen now and an elderly parent, I'm far more scared for my parent than for my child. Neither were easy, though many in the nation didn't worry as much about the H1N1 as this for obvious reasons.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

Hey, remember when we said 3K death every day was bad? How it was like a daily 9/11?

Now it's 4K daily.

And there are still people that want to compare it to bigger numbers to trivialize it. "Well, when you consider everyone alive will one day be dead..."

Its upsetting to see the lackluster response from corporations and cities when it comes to these stats. "This is so upsetting to see, stay safe everyone." We are shattering records in LA every day and our malls are still open.

 

[DCBaker]

Numbers are out - there were 138 new reported deaths, along with 1 Non-Florida Resident death.

 

[DCBaker]

Current vaccine report for Florida -

 

[The Mom]

It was national and labeled as a national emergency by Obama in 2009. The difference was the ages. It was done here in the US across the country but only for the specific ages. I am going to guess you just didn't have to worry for other reasons, like I got it as did my toddler, but my husband and dad did not get the shot when it was first available. National Guard offered up an air installation in order to get kids vaccinated. If you didn't have a young child during 2009 I doubt you would realize how scary it was for us parents at that time. Here's an article that talked about it some and compared it to the current pandemic. https://www.healthline.com/health-n...c#H1N1-vaccine-shortages-and-miscommunication

So no, this wasn't the first, nor will it be the last. Feel lucky if you didn't have to go through the stress of that one. As a parent H1N1 was terrifying especially since fertility and pregnancy losses were fresh on my brain. As someone with a teen now and an elderly parent, I'm far more scared for my parent than for my child. Neither were easy, though many in the nation didn't worry as much about the H1N1 as this for obvious reasons.

I had a teenager (16) at that time, so apparently no one was concerned about him then as nothing was sent home from school nor was anything mentioned in the local media. I do not remember all of the national attention, nor did we have the same restrictions for everyone - did children have to stay home and wear masks? Locally, everything went on as usual. Because our school year ends much earlier than most states (May) and it doesn't get cooler until November, we may have been spared the number of cases happening elsewhere so it wasn't deemed necessary to have local mass inoculations..

 

[jlhwdw]

And Disney’s poor treatment of CMs began long before COVID closures. What the Company spends on marketing alone ($4.3B/yr.) could likely have been better spent (with better return) keeping CMs employed (furloughed, alternative assignments, special projects, etc.).

I was a Cast Member for years. The treatment even in the "good times" is mediocre at best. But you can't continue furlough forever and pay health insurance for people that aren't working when money isn't coming in. Many Cast Members are on alternative assignment if they have the seniority/work class to be guaranteed a spot if their home location is still closed. And why would you make up pretend work in "special projects" and then pay people for doing made up work?

For the greater good of Central Florida and the Walt Disney Co, Walt Disney World must stay open. Any future closures (outside of the usual 1-2 day weather closures for hurricanes) will be seen as a sign of "going backward" and the layoffs and revenue loss will be exponentially worse than it was in 2020. Everything in the power of those that have it needs to ensure Walt Disney World does not have a Spring 2020 style closure ever again.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I had a teenager (16) at that time, so apparently no one was concerned about him then as nothing was sent home from school nor was anything mentioned in the local media. I do not remember all of the national attention, nor did we have the same restrictions for everyone - did children have to stay home and wear masks? Locally, everything went on as usual. Because our school year ends much earlier than most states (May) and it doesn't get cooler until November, we may have been spared the number of cases happening elsewhere so it wasn't deemed necessary to have local mass inoculations..

I was a ticket agent and conductor at a tourist railroad that year... there were lots of state issued rules / recommendations and reports coming through to businesses that would get passed down to us.

It was a state requirement that we had hand sanitizer available at each cash register.... one of the ladies who worked at the train station would yell at me and tell me I was breaking the law if the hand sanitizer got moved lol. (In case she’s reading this I will go to my grave saying it was the customers moving the sanitizer!!!)

 

[DisneyCane]

Current vaccine report for Florida -

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That overdue number continues to concern me. Also, they should change "total people vaccinated" to "total doses administered" but that's for the state to do, not you.

 

[correcaminos]

I had a teenager (16) at that time, so apparently no one was concerned about him then as nothing was sent home from school nor was anything mentioned in the local media. I do not remember all of the national attention, nor did we have the same restrictions for everyone - did children have to stay home and wear masks? Locally, everything went on as usual. Because our school year ends much earlier than most states (May) and it doesn't get cooler until November, we may have been spared the number of cases happening elsewhere so it wasn't deemed necessary to have local mass inoculations..

No masks at the time here, but the young children were at risk. I was caring for a baby in addition to my own during the day and it was just one where we didn't go in public as much until we were vaccinated. It was I think September when I first started trying for the vaccine. I'd have to check my 13yo's vaccine records though. Again my kid was just under 2, so we weren't in preschool yet even. We just stayed home more. It was mostly over with by winter when shots were easily distributed. The H1N1 is just now a strand in vaccines - at least in the quad shot I got this year supposedly had what they also label the (H1N1)pdm09-like virus. One thing I do remember at church communal chalice was stopped and hand sanitizer were installed that summer.

Again no where near the level, but they were trying to learn from mess ups back then even in articles I read earlier in the year. Seeing what a crap show it was in 2009 I figure they will figure it out. Will take longer and stakes are higher in this one for sure, but I try to have faith.

My state will have 75+ available soon. I'll see if they have learned from other states and such shortly.

 

[Disney Experience]

It’s a race between the virus (especially the new “improved” more contagious version) and the vaccine.

But the good news is that in Pfizer and Moderna we have vaccines that are 95% effective. That very high efficacy will help the vaccine win the race if we get them into arms.

To avoid having to modify the vaccines in the future we would have to win the race worldwide ( Much more daunting) to decrease the pool of virus that could mutate enough to void the vaccine. So far no mutation has been proven to nullify the efficacy of the vaccines.

 

[drizgirl]

I had a teenager (16) at that time, so apparently no one was concerned about him then as nothing was sent home from school nor was anything mentioned in the local media. I do not remember all of the national attention, nor did we have the same restrictions for everyone - did children have to stay home and wear masks? Locally, everything went on as usual. Because our school year ends much earlier than most states (May) and it doesn't get cooler until November, we may have been spared the number of cases happening elsewhere so it wasn't deemed necessary to have local mass inoculations..

I had 3 kids, grade school, middle school and high school age in 2009. I remember being aware of H1N1 but don't recall being overly focused on it. There was certainly no communication from school about it. One of my son's middle school friends had it and while concerning, it wasn't a big deal for him or us (out of fear of having been exposed).

What I do recall about that season was just how short the supply of H1N1 vaccine was. My parents were older even then, and I recall hoping they could find the vaccine (I think they eventually did).

We just got the regular flu vaccine that year since it's all we could get ahold of.

 

[Disney Experience]

I was a ticket agent and conductor at a tourist railroad that year... there were lots of state issued rules / recommendations and reports coming through to businesses that would get passed down to us.

It was a state requirement that we had hand sanitizer available at each cash register.... one of the ladies who worked at the train station would yell at me and tell me I was breaking the law if the hand sanitizer got moved lol. (In case she’s reading this I will go to my grave saying it was the customers moving the sanitizer!!!)

I went on the Blueridge Railroad during my honeymoon in October. We enjoyed the short trip. It was hard to get tickets, but fun to ride. They had social distancing on the train. Being vaccinated made it easier for us to do the trip.

 

[Disney Experience]

From the following article Brevard county Omni Healthcare and Health First can get the shots into the arm and just need more shots.

Brevard County out of COVID-19 vaccines after distributing 4K doses as demand continues to grow

Omni Healthcare already had a list of patients waiting on appointments, and it took Health First less than 90 minutes to fill its slots.

www.wftv.com

Both Health First and Omni Healthcare said they have the ability to vaccinate many more, but they need more vaccines.

 

[Disney Experience]

Herd immunity may not arrive until after summer, Orange County officials said

Health leaders said they don’t believe we will see any major changes to the COVID-19 pandemic until after this summer.

www.wftv.com

I think it will be sooner if everyone works to get shots into the arms.

One negative in getting Florida’s herd immunity is that people are flying in from out of state to get vaccinated in Florida. County/state say they cannot stop this because of the federal nature of the vaccine procurement.

 

[correcaminos]

I had 3 kids, grade school, middle school and high school age in 2009. I remember being aware of H1N1 but don't recall being overly focused on it. There was certainly no communication from school about it. One of my son's middle school friends had it and while concerning, it wasn't a big deal for him or us (out of fear of having been exposed).

What I do recall about that season was just how short the supply of H1N1 vaccine was. My parents were older even then, and I recall hoping they could find the vaccine (I think they eventually did).

We just got the regular flu vaccine that year since it's all we could get ahold of.

Kids under 5 and those over 60 were seen as at high risk. Children especially under 2 were viewed as at risk for severe disease. I wouldn't expect parents of middle or HS students to have been told to worry about it. If my kid had been older, it wouldn't have been a blip on my radar. Given mine was in the highest group, we were among those who waited hours to be vaccinated.

 

[GoofGoof]

Kids under 5 and those over 60 were seen as at high risk. Children especially under 2 were viewed as at risk for severe disease. I wouldn't expect parents of middle or HS students to have been told to worry about it. If my kid had been older, it wouldn't have been a blip on my radar. Given mine was in the highest group, we were among those who waited hours to be vaccinated.

My wife was pregnant and due end of Jan during flu season and we had a 2.5 year old as well at the time. It was a big deal for young children since they had no natural immunity. Anyone over about 35 had some natural immunity from previous H1N1 outbreaks, it was a different strain so not full immunity but some level of protection. We waited in line for hours at the township building where they did the shots. They had high risk groups go first which included young children and their parents. My wife and I got the shot and my son got the inhaled version which was later discontinued. There were no masks or business closures but it was also a seasonal flu that went away for the whole summer and came back in the fall. It had a limited run for 2 years. The vaccine rollout was not smooth and by the time the shot was readily available to anyone who wanted it the flu season was mostly over and a lot of people never bothered getting it. I think somewhere around 90M people were vaccinated from Nov to Feb that year and the US government donated or destroyed hundreds of millions of doses of the vaccine that went unused. That is unlikely with Covid, as we know from last summer it is not seasonal and isn‘t going anywhere on its own.

 

[CatesMom]

Good luck! I know it was daunting to help my MIL. She is no dummy, but needed the help so this is very good advice.

That said H1N1 did have mass inoculations. My kid was nearly 2 when it started. We got shut out after waiting hours in line. Second time I tried we were sucessful. Having a 22 month old kid during that wait was horrible. It did get better. By the time he needed his 2nd dose we could schedule it with his pediatrician

Our kids must be about the same age, because I experienced the same thing with my then-toddler in reverse: first H1N1 shot with the pediatrician; second shot at a city-sponsored health clinic.