Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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MisterPenguin

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drumbum67 said:
Interesting to see this article trending on a pretty mainstream news source:
www.insider.com

Disney World is losing its magic, and as a lifelong fan I worry it will never come back

Disney World is changing for the worse, and factors like the loss of employees and classic attractions are to blame, our reporter writes.
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The site calls itself "A leading-edge research firm focused on digital transformation" and then posts a puff piece from someone who's mad that prices has gone up and thus Disney has lost its magic. Then goes on to demonstrate just how popular WDW is such that they have to cull the guests by raising prices. Meaning that there are hordes of people who think otherwise.

Wow. That's some leading-edge research.

This ""article"" has no more heft than people who post the same things on this forum.

Just because someone gets their opinion onto some internet site, or they make a blog post out of it, or they rant on their own YouTube channel doesn't give their opinion any more weight or importance than anyone else's opinions posted here.

It certainly shouldn't be quoted as an argument from authority.
 
The Mom

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techgeek said:
My biggest problem is not necessarily the variety of options (walk up / book appointment, etc), but the fact that there is no one central site coordinating that information and availability.

The county health department websites are mostly dense and unhelpful. I’ve tried to assist several (not technically savvy) family and friends with information, and it would be great if there were one site I could point them at and say “here you go”, instead of “well, it depends. Can you wait in line? Can you wake up at 2am to hit this web portal for a reservation? Do you want to drive to Orlando or Tampa?”

My grandmother is 90, she can’t do any of these things. She doesn’t drive. She doesn’t have a computer or smart phone. She can’t realistically get up at 5am and wait in a line. She should be one of the first in line to get this, and there should have been ways to reach people in her situation. Her PCP has her on a list for when they get stock themselves, but they haven’t been told when that might be or even if. Her just going into the docs office to get it would likely be ideal and least risk to her, but it’s frustrating that the people that need it most are the ones that can’t navigate the complexities of this early availability themselves.

Options are great. Confusion and complexity is not. This isn’t securing a boarding group for RotR and a prime time Le Cellier res, this is a lifesaving vaccine in a global once-in-a-century pandemic that Florida and all other levels of government had 8 months to figure out a plan for. Someone from the county health department should have been knocking on her door in person by now.
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Our web portal opens at 5PM. Our vaccinations are only for Duval county residents (which, IMO, is how it should have been done everywhere) and I agree that it can be a problem for anyone who doesn't have a computer/smartphone, as the phone lines are even harder to get through than the website.

I am not tech savy and can easily navigate my county's website - I just can't get an appointment yet. IO do agree that there should be a better way to make the most vulnerable who are NOT in a nursing home priority. I guess the fact that they are older and don't drive also means that they are not out in public very much.

You may have to step in and make the appointment for her (just get all of her info) and then be sure that someone is available to drive her to the appointment. Unfortunately, in a "one size fits all government program" there are going to be people who fall through the cracks. As frustrating as leaving the distribution up to individual county health departments might be, I think leaving it to the State or Federal government would be even worse for those who don't fit into an average profile.

We haven't had national mass inoculations in over 50 years, so there are very few - if any - people who have dealt with the logistics of doing this. Having a plan in writing, and actually instituting it are two very different things. Plans do not (and cannot) take every variable into consideration.

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tnemgif

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The Mom said:
It's not any more mainstream news source than wdwmagic.
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Insider has almost 10 million followers on Facebook, over 3 million on Twitter, 2 million on Instagram...

I‘m not agreeing or disagreeing with the article. Just pointing out that this article is reaching a lot of eyeballs who would otherwise not be reading about Covid and WDW, especially from such a negative perspective. And I think that deserves some consideration.
 
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The Mom

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drumbum67 said:
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Insider has almost 10 million followers on Facebook, over 3 million on Twitter, 2 million on Instagram
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I should have specified that the opinion was not any more legitimate than those given here. The publication is mainstream, but they published an opinion piece that doesn't carry any more weight than mine, for example. As I've probably been to WDW as much as the writer. Many posters here have even more experience.
 
MisterPenguin

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drumbum67 said:
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Insider has almost 10 million followers on Facebook, over 3 million on Twitter, 2 million on Instagram...
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The editorial page of the New York Times have had opinion articles expressing views that are diametrically opposed to one another.

Quoting one of those editorials is not news.

Difference is, many of those editorials are from experts in their fields. This puff piece was not in that category.
 
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The Mom said:
I should have specified that the opinion was not any more legitimate than those given here. The publication is mainstream, but they published an opinion piece that doesn't carry any more weight than mine, for example. As I've probably been to WDW as much as the writer. Many posters here have even more experience.
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I wasn’t vouching for the credibility. Just the impact.
 
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The Mom said:
Our web portal opens at 5PM. Our vaccinations are only for Duval county residents (which, IMO, is how it should have been done everywhere) and I agree that it can be a problem for anyone who doesn't have a computer/smartphone, as the phone lines are even harder to get through than the website.

I am not tech savy and can easily navigate my county's website - I just can't get an appointment yet. IO do agree that there should be a better way to make the most vulnerable who are NOT in a nursing home priority. I guess the fact that they are older and don't drive also means that they are not out in public very much.

You may have to step in and make the appointment for her (just get all of her info) and then be sure that someone is available to drive her to the appointment. Unfortunately, in a "one size fits all government program" there are going to be people who fall through the cracks. As frustrating as leaving the distribution up to individual county health departments might be, I think leaving it to the State or Federal government would be even worse for those who don't fit into an average profile.

We haven't had national mass inoculations in over 50 years, so there are very few - if any - people who have dealt with the logistics of doing this. Having a plan in writing, and actually instituting it are two very different things. Plans do not (and cannot) take every variable into consideration.

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I'm really not sure what can really be done to make anything "better" than what you are describing right now. The issue is there are around 4 times the people in FL 65 and over than there are vaccine doses delivered and available for that population. It would be better if the shots in the arm were happening a little faster but the issue of not being able to get an appointment won't be solved until supply meets demand.

Maybe they should borrow the BG algorithm from Disney to dole out the available slots!
 
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Heppenheimer said:
It was pretty awesome using it in Europe. Allowed me to get between the major cities very quickly and comfortably. If you like sitting in ever worsening traffic, be my guest.
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Well medium high speed train will someday be connecting Disney world to the airport (MCO) and Miami and southern Florida. After that Tampa. Hopefully someday Cocoa/Port Canaveral for cruise line connection ( But current Brightline plans include no stops on the Space Coast/Brevard/Cocoa/Port Canaveral, the track/train just passes through nonstop )

Brightline which is privately funded
 
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correcaminos

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The Mom said:
Our web portal opens at 5PM. Our vaccinations are only for Duval county residents (which, IMO, is how it should have been done everywhere) and I agree that it can be a problem for anyone who doesn't have a computer/smartphone, as the phone lines are even harder to get through than the website.

I am not tech savy and can easily navigate my county's website - I just can't get an appointment yet. IO do agree that there should be a better way to make the most vulnerable who are NOT in a nursing home priority. I guess the fact that they are older and don't drive also means that they are not out in public very much.

You may have to step in and make the appointment for her (just get all of her info) and then be sure that someone is available to drive her to the appointment. Unfortunately, in a "one size fits all government program" there are going to be people who fall through the cracks. As frustrating as leaving the distribution up to individual county health departments might be, I think leaving it to the State or Federal government would be even worse for those who don't fit into an average profile.

We haven't had national mass inoculations in over 50 years, so there are very few - if any - people who have dealt with the logistics of doing this. Having a plan in writing, and actually instituting it are two very different things. Plans do not (and cannot) take every variable into consideration.

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Good luck! I know it was daunting to help my MIL. She is no dummy, but needed the help so this is very good advice.

That said H1N1 did have mass inoculations. My kid was nearly 2 when it started. We got shut out after waiting hours in line. Second time I tried we were sucessful. Having a 22 month old kid during that wait was horrible. It did get better. By the time he needed his 2nd dose we could schedule it with his pediatrician
 
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The Mom said:
AFAIK, in talking to people who have already gotten their first dose (lucky them - I still can't get an appointment) you have an appointment for your second dose before you leave the facility - at the same time, ie, if you got your first dose at 2:15PM you will get your second one 21 days later at 2:15PM.
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Osceola Cty is where my parents both got their shots this week. And neither have a follow-up appt at this time. Rather they were told that someone would be contacting them for their follow-up shot, which should occur on/around 2/3.

Seems like a house of cards from a scheduling perspective...
 
MisterPenguin

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oceanbreeze77 said:
We have long questioned what would happen in the worst case scenario.

The time has come. Worst case scenario is here. 300K+/- cases a day, over 4K deaths a day, and hospitals bursting at the seams nationwide.
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Hey, remember when we said 3K death every day was bad? How it was like a daily 9/11?

Now it's 4K daily.

And there are still people that want to compare it to bigger numbers to trivialize it. "Well, when you consider everyone alive will one day be dead..."
 
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