Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Rich Brownn]

I received shot #1 from the moderna here in Orange County (They had 35,000 reservation slots). Other than slight pain 2 days later near the injection site, not a single side effect. My next shot is for Jan 26th. Although it was very effecient (You never left your car) it still was a 3.5 hour wait.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Just out of curiosity what illegal activity are these secret groups engaged in? You totally lost me.

People claim that doctors are intentionally misattributing COVID-19 as the cause of death for additional federal funds.

 

[Bullseye1967]

People claim that doctors are intentionally misattributing COVID-19 as the cause of death for additional federal funds.

Ok that is about as clear as mud. The secret groups of people are claiming COVID numbers are wrong and that is somehow is illegal? Or the doctors are actually misrepresenting the numbers and that is illegal?

 

[mmascari]

Back to my regularly scheduled pessimism. Incredibly disappointing and not surprising that the US hasn’t even managed to find the variant in a returned traveler anywhere. It’s beyond too late to be contained.

The contact tracing breakdown (or a failure to start) is a disaster.

As Martin keeps saying there is a real possibility the worst is yet to come, unfortunately at the finish line.

Without any surveillance testing program and not sequencing enough tests nationally, both things the UK is doing but the US is not, it’s likely been here for a long time, maybe even first. We just didn’t have any way to know.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Ok that is about as clear as mud. The secret groups of people are claiming COVID numbers are wrong and that is somehow is illegal? Or the doctors are actually misrepresenting the numbers and that is illegal?

What don’t you get? Doctors are the group. Misattributing a death for money is illegal on many levels: falsifying a medical record, Medicare fraud, bribery, embezzlement and tax evasion since this would involve secret cash payments, etc. It’s a secret activity because one admits to doing this (because it is illegal) and nobody has been able to produce any evidence of it occurring.

 

[Bullseye1967]

What don’t you get? Doctors are the group. Misattributing a death for money is illegal on many levels: falsifying a medical record, Medicare fraud, bribery, embezzlement and tax evasion since this would involve secret cash payments, etc. It’s a secret activity because one admits to doing this (because it is illegal) and nobody has been able to produce any evidence of it occurring.

Got it. I was confused about the doctor thing because I have never thought of health care professionals as a "secret group".

 

[hopemax]

More interpretation of some of the research starting to come out about the UK variant.

So far, the variant is more prevalent in children than adults. Mostly age 10-19, but also ages 0-9. Could be outcome of the greater transmissibility moving through schools. Concern - is it making kids sicker so they are actually getting tested? Concern 2 - eventually transmission that starts in younger people works its way through to older people, resulting in more hospitalizations and deaths.

Also, concerning. The R number WITH lockdown-type precautions is 1.45, regular variant is .92. As we know, if R is above 1, bad things start happening with increasing frequency. Unchecked, in 2 months, cases (and therefore hospitalizations and deaths) could increase by an order of magnitude in the UK.

Some will take this as, "see, nothing we can do." From a disease fighting perspective, it means schools should be closed, more restrictions on what people should be doing, etc. But, look around, people are bored and tired, and leaders are responding to those feelings more than they are the ground situation regarding the virus. Here, in CO, the Governor unexpectedly announced we are moving from Red to Orange. He didn't tell the mayors it was happening (he also told people over 74 to contact their PCPs to arrange for the vaccine, since they are in the next group, when the PCPs have no vaccines and no instructions from county or state, so that's a whole 'nother basket of problems.) *We* aren't asking our leadership for protection, so they aren't responding along those lines and, worse, don't even think they can sell it anymore.

I feel we are in the part of the zombie film when people think they've found some relative safety and that's when someone stupidly opens a door to look outside, and is overwhelmed and the safe haven is overrun. So, yes, I will be in my basement for the next two months.

 

[DisneyCane]

More interpretation of some of the research starting to come out about the UK variant.

So far, the variant is more prevalent in children than adults. Mostly age 10-19, but also ages 0-9. Could be outcome of the greater transmissibility moving through schools. Concern - is it making kids sicker so they are actually getting tested? Concern 2 - eventually transmission that starts in younger people works its way through to older people, resulting in more hospitalizations and deaths.

Also, concerning. The R number WITH lockdown-type precautions is 1.45, regular variant is .92. As we know, if R is above 1, bad things start happening with increasing frequency. Unchecked, in 2 months, cases (and therefore hospitalizations and deaths) could increase by an order of magnitude in the UK.

Some will take this as, "see, nothing we can do." From a disease fighting perspective, it means schools should be closed, more restrictions on what people should be doing, etc. But, look around, people are bored and tired, and leaders are responding to those feelings more than they are the ground situation regarding the virus. Here, in CO, the Governor unexpectedly announced we are moving from Red to Orange. He didn't tell the mayors it was happening (he also told people over 74 to contact their PCPs to arrange for the vaccine, since they are in the next group, when the PCPs have no vaccines and no instructions from county or state, so that's a whole 'nother basket of problems.) *We* aren't asking our leadership for protection, so they aren't responding along those lines and, worse, don't even think they can sell it anymore.

I feel we are in the part of the zombie film when people think they've found some relative safety and that's when someone stupidly opens a door to look outside, and is overwhelmed and the safe haven is overrun. So, yes, I will be in my basement for the next two months.

With your "rosy" outlook, you might want to consider adjusting your username.

We just have to hope the current vaccines are effective against the UK strain and get as many people vaccinated as quickly as possible. Then the R number will keep getting lower. I would assume that if the vaccines weren't going to be effective against it, you'd see a number of people who had an old strain already getting infected by the new strain in the UK at least.

 

[hopemax]

With your "rosy" outlook, you might want to consider adjusting your username.

We just have to hope the current vaccines are effective against the UK strain and get as many people vaccinated as quickly as possible. Then the R number will keep getting lower. I would assume that if the vaccines weren't going to be effective against it, you'd see a number of people who had an old strain already getting infected by the new strain in the UK at least.

FYI, the Hope in my username is my actual first name. Not exactly something other people get an opinion about changing.

Second, it's not my outlook, it's what the experts are sharing. All of us have the opportunity to respond accordingly.

 

[DCBaker]

"Dozens of people in West Virginia were mistakenly given Regeneron’s Covid-19 antibody treatment instead of the Moderna vaccine, the West Virginia National Guard announced Thursday.

The state’s National Guard said 42 people received the treatment, which is given intravenously, at a vaccination clinic staffed by the Boone County Health Department. The National Guard said it learned of the error on Wednesday.

Everyone who received the antibody treatment instead of the vaccine, which is given via a shot in the arm, have been contacted, Julie Miller, an administrator for the Boone County Health Department, told CNBC by email. She added that “we do not believe there is any risk of harm.”

Regeneron’s monoclonal antibody treatment, which needs to be administered through an IV drip, is seen as a promising treatment for Covid-19 — especially when administered early on in the course of infection. But the mix-up in West Virginia is just one example of confusion in the rush to distribute the vaccine to tens of millions of people. The rollout has been slower than expected and marked by logistical challenges.

“It has been determined that this was an isolated incident,” Miller said. “All of the affected individuals will be offered the COVID-19 vaccine today.”

She said the health department will work closely with the state National Guard and the Department of Health and Human Resources to review its policies and procedures.

Miller did not provide any details on what caused the mix-up."

West Virginia health officials mistakenly gave 42 people Regeneron IV Covid treatment instead of vaccine shot

"It has been determined that this was an isolated incident," Julie Miller, an administrator for the Boone County Health Department, told CNBC by email.

www.cnbc.com

 

[correcaminos]

I didn’t say anything about how many vaccines one gets or limit the context only to the COVID-19 vaccines. Just getting vaccines doesn’t mean one is not an anti-vaxxer. If you are applauding and encouraging people who spread misinformation like:

• We don’t know the long term effects even of long administered vaccines
• Companies and the FDA suppress information on ingredients, efficacy and negative outcomes
• The flu shot is a useless scam to make money
• The development process was rushed to skip critical safety steps
• Greatly exaggerating negative outcomes of all vaccines
• (And the coup de grâce) We don’t really know if vaccines cause autism

Then yes, you are an anti-vaxxer. Getting vaccinated does not preclude one from being an anti-vaxxer as many are unwilling to act on a variety of beliefs that are considered taboo, especially when there are hurdles involved.

I heard a few of those about covid vaccines last night on a zoom. A few other crazy ideas were spoken too. Those saying these are not stated likely never talk to enough people.

One can be a selective anti-vaxxer. At any level it's detrimental to the health of society.

 

[Heppenheimer]

"Dozens of people in West Virginia were mistakenly given Regeneron’s Covid-19 antibody treatment instead of the Moderna vaccine, the West Virginia National Guard announced Thursday.

The state’s National Guard said 42 people received the treatment, which is given intravenously, at a vaccination clinic staffed by the Boone County Health Department. The National Guard said it learned of the error on Wednesday.

Everyone who received the antibody treatment instead of the vaccine, which is given via a shot in the arm, have been contacted, Julie Miller, an administrator for the Boone County Health Department, told CNBC by email. She added that “we do not believe there is any risk of harm.”

Regeneron’s monoclonal antibody treatment, which needs to be administered through an IV drip, is seen as a promising treatment for Covid-19 — especially when administered early on in the course of infection. But the mix-up in West Virginia is just one example of confusion in the rush to distribute the vaccine to tens of millions of people. The rollout has been slower than expected and marked by logistical challenges.

“It has been determined that this was an isolated incident,” Miller said. “All of the affected individuals will be offered the COVID-19 vaccine today.”

She said the health department will work closely with the state National Guard and the Department of Health and Human Resources to review its policies and procedures.

Miller did not provide any details on what caused the mix-up."

West Virginia health officials mistakenly gave 42 people Regeneron IV Covid treatment instead of vaccine shot

"It has been determined that this was an isolated incident," Julie Miller, an administrator for the Boone County Health Department, told CNBC by email.

www.cnbc.com

The information may never become publicly available (I'm sure our collective attention will move onto something else soon anyway), but the fault analysis for this event should prove interesting. If I were a betting man, I'd wager a combination of poor communication, lapsed safety practices and a chain of errors.

 

[correcaminos]

I do think the issue is that some of the stuff you posted is in line with deniers. Not saying you are, but it's the same stuff many do say. If you do not use information carefully it can be used as an excuse not to wear masks, not to distance not to behave etc. Even if you do support mask wearing it kinda came across as contrary. Like arguing just to argue. Much like, to be honest, your quip to me honing in on how a specific word was used. A different angle and method of delivery might make people not want to argue back. Just an outside view.

I was not at my aunt's burial today because of the pure number of people in the area she was born that do not use masks. We had only one person there since their lack of mask use is appalling. While my risk is low as it is and possibly better than some if I did get the vaccine, I still opted to stay home as to not risk spread. My risk is low, but possible spread is real. The person who went can quaratine as they are widowed and live alone. Since my aunt never married nor had children we are all she had. Giving facts on how good my chances are don't matter, knowing so many were maskless is what I will focus on, not a specific type of math.

Just a point of view again.

Yes and I agreed with that. I don't know what happened. I think the posts were removed. Was the poster being bullied to the point where they made a really bad decision to lash out? On this forum anything is possible. You have to have really thick skin and self control to post in this forum.

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Burden of proof should not fall to me, but since you are bent on saying this over again like it promotes something, I'll help you out. And since you insinuated bullying, I never said bupkis to that poster that day. They chose to be nasty and went through laughing at 4 of my posts. That was the first above they chose to laugh at on Tuesday. Stop twisting narratives to vilify me.

 

[marni1971]

Masks are a conspiracy topic

Why’s that?

 

[The Mom]

Just out of curiosity what illegal activity are these secret groups engaged in? You totally lost me.

Falsifying death certificates is illegal.

 

[The Mom]

Again I haven't seen anybody on this forum applauding or promoting anti- vaccine theories, or people spreading conspiracy theories. Applauding groups of people engaging in illegal activity spreading conspiracy theories? Huh?????? there is nothing illegal about spreading conspiracy theories or being against vaccines for that matter. Were not China.

This thread is almost 3000 pages long, and even I haven't read every post. Also, there was an attempt to keep it on topic, non-political, and science based months ago. It was a losing battle, so we decided to just slap a "political" label on it, rather than spend hours a day responding to reports. So many of the earlier posts have been deleted, and many posters have been banned from participating because, despite several warnings, they couldn't help making nasty remarks.

The poster who laughed at another poster's grief is one - he/she was not allowed to post in this thread (but could still post on other, non-Covid related threads), so "participated" by using emojis. Which has now also been denied.

So yes, those people were here, but are not here any longer. And most of those posts have been deleted. Some posters just have better memories than others.

 

[Miss Bella]

Why’s that?

I meant to say masks are a conspiracy topic??????

 

[hopemax]

The information may never become publicly available (I'm sure our collective attention will move onto something else soon anyway), but the fault analysis for this event should prove interesting. If I were a betting man, I'd wager a combination of poor communication, lapsed safety practices and a chain of errors.

My hope is that these stories are just the errors on the margins that you could predict would happen somewhere, at sometime. A rollout of this scale was never going to go on without a hitch. It was discovered, fixed, hope someone learned something

My fear is that American hubris and decades of neglect and weakening of public health infrastructure will leave us not so much the proverbial "sleeping giant," but as Endgame Thor (we watched it again last night while waiting for midnight) without a Mom to get us emotionally back on track. And these stories are early warnings of how deep a hole we might have dug ourselves in. And it's not so easy to just "turn it on" when we need it.

 

[marni1971]

I meant to say masks are a conspiracy topic??????

Gotcha!

 

[Miss Bella]

This thread is almost 3000 pages long, and even I haven't read every post. Also, there was an attempt to keep it on topic, non-political, and science based months ago. It was a losing battle, so we decided to just slap a "political" label on it, rather than spend hours a day responding to reports. So many of the earlier posts have been deleted, and many posters have been banned from participating because, despite several warnings, they couldn't help making nasty remarks.

The poster who laughed at another poster's grief is one - he/she was not allowed to post in this thread (but could still post on other, non-Covid related threads), so "participated" by using emojis. Which has now also been denied.

So yes, those people were here, but are not here any longer. And most of those posts have been deleted. Some posters just have better memories than others.

Sometimes I go a week or more without reading this thread and at times I spend I’ll spend a few days. I cant remember who said what on each topic.