Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[correcaminos]

I totally get it about the fear of giving COVID to a loved one! My mom is in her 80s and I am afraid to visit her because of COVID! Frankly, I am afraid of going anywhere because of COVID, not for my own health, but the health of my loved ones! The fear of unknowingly passing COVID to a loved one.

Am I being irrational? My brain says yes, but I can’t take the chance. Fear is such a controlling emotion and it’s working...

Not irrational at all

We live nation where the obesity rate - not even the overweight rate, but the obesity rate is some 40% of the population.
We love a theme park where vast throngs of park goers grew to a size where they were rendered unable to walk these parks, limbs, hearts and lungs unable to support the task.
Obesity is something that we as individuals have DIRECT personal control of, in contrast to a virus which we are combating (up until the recent vaccines) with cloth masks and hand washing.
Obesity is the leading cause of cardiovascular disease, diabetes, various cancers... And consequently it's one of the things that is going to give a person the most difficult time in overcoming a covid19 infection.
Yet this same nation of ours has created a climate where discussing obesity and personal responsibility is positively discouraged.
"Fat shaming" they call it, and it had gotten so out of control that popular culture was celebrating obesity right up to the point covid broke out in this country.
Celebrated on tv shows, magazine covers, and all over various social media platforms.
The number one thing we can do for ourselves is to try to be fit, strong, and healthy.
These things should be championed by the media at least as much as mask wearing, hand washing, and social distancing.

I was reading numbers and almost half of the adult population have at least one chronic health condition that could be life limiting.

I even was very obese and lost 85 pounds on a 5' frame a few decades ago. But many my age even have heart issues or high cholesterol or even type 2 diabetes.

Being fit and healthy can help, but obviously not a guarantee. A good friend is 3 months in recovery from covid. Out of work by doc orders the entire time and super fit and healthy.

Some Sun/Vitamin D helps a great deal with Covid and immunity in general, which is why I think this is bad advice, go, or at least go outdoors more often.

What does this have to do with travel? And honestly it's gray where I live. Many of us take supplements this time of year for a reason. Being outside when having to bundle doesn't help either.

 

[GoofGoof]

Some Sun/Vitamin D helps a great deal with Covid and immunity in general, which is why I think this is bad advice, go, or at least go outdoors more often.

I go outdoors every day, multiple times a day since this pandemic started. I haven’t been to WDW once. People definitely should go outdoors and do something physical for mental and physical health, but you don’t need to get on a plane and fly somewhere for a week to do that.

 

[DCBaker]

Numbers are out - there were 77 new reported deaths.

 

[easyrowrdw]

Yes it is. We were so lucky to get as many trips with her as we did. She had been in a LTC facility for almost 4 years and even survived a covid outbreak in the spring. We last took her 5 years ago and gave her a trip of a lifetime (spoiled her with a few days in a bungalow). But her cerebral palsy combined with ALS was too much. Sadly due to us having colds in the late winter, I hadn't seen her in person for about a year... kind of why I considered unblinding myself so she could have another come in to care for her.

I remember you talking about her on MO and it seemed like maybe y'all were close. I'm sure that was very hard not being able to be with her or at her funeral. My condolences.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Numbers are out - there were 77 new reported deaths.

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Thank you DC for these daily updates.. but once again.. horrible.
A good friend of mine and I were talking this morning. He just told me his 96 year old father has been tested and positive for Covid. Now I know he lives in his own place and I know he hasn’t gone out in 9 months and also know that my friend and his 2 sisters have been bringing him food and supplies to his front door since this all started. I said how the heck did he catch it? His assistant nurse who visits each day for 4-6 hrs had it. She even said she went to a baby shower with about 20 people. Even when you do everything you are supposed to do, it can get you because of someone’s irresponsibility.
his in the hospital and believe it or not, not doing to bad. Hard to breathe but in good spirits. Been 5 days now so hoping for the best.

 

[Archie123]

So who is to blame here in your opinion? Disney for being open? Or guests for going?

I still believe theme parks being open -and- holding guests accountable on COVID protocols (read: Disney, Cedar Fair, Universal on weekdays. Not SeaWorld/Busch, Fun Spot, Universal on weekends, Dollywood, some Six Flags parks) is actually doing a good service right now. It is providing safe, outdoor, distanced recreation for folks that are going to go out no matter what. Let's say a group of 5 or 6 friends or family members from different households are going to get together for a day out no matter what the guidelines/recommendations are. Theme parks give them an option to get together outdoors, with masks required, and distancing protocols with the general public. That same group likely would have gotten together in a home, bar, or somewhere else without masking. But the park provides a safe option. And of course the employees are able to work and the park is able to make it economically.

People aren't going to stay home. That's been proven for 9 months. Parks are also one of the safest forms of recreation with good mitigation protocols. I say keep the parks open and close the bars.

Parks are far from safe. There is little to no social distancing and plenty of people are not wearing masks correctly and are getting away with it.

 

[GoofGoof]

Thank you DC for these daily updates.. but once again.. horrible.
A good friend of mine and I were talking this morning. He just told me his 96 year old father has been tested and positive for Covid. Now I know he lives in his own place and I know he hasn’t gone out in 9 months and also know that my friend and his 2 sisters have been bringing him food and supplies to his front door since this all started. I said how the heck did he catch it? His assistant nurse who visits each day for 4-6 hrs had it. She even said she went to a baby shower with about 20 people. Even when you do everything you are supposed to do, it can get you because of someone’s irresponsibility.
his in the hospital and believe it or not, not doing to bad. Hard to breathe but in good spirits. Been 5 days now so hoping for the best.

There are some positive outcomes even for very old patients. This woman was 108 and had survived both the 1918 Spanish Flu and now Covid.

This 108-year-old woman survived two pandemics: The 1918 Spanish flu and Covid-19

Anna Del Priore is a 1918 flu and Covid-19 survivor. She is 108-years-old. CNBC's Contessa Brewer joins Shepard Smith on "The News With Shepard Smith" to discuss.

www.cnbc.com

On the case numbers, I think we have about a month to go before this wave breaks. There’s talk of a bump on top of a bump from the holidays and NYE and I think it will take several weeks to ramp up and then several more to ramp down from that. Hopefully by the end of January we see cases dropping naturally, plus if the pace of vaccinations stays steady as planned we may have about 15% of the population vaccinated by then. Then by the end of February/middle of March we could/should be at about 1/3 of the population vaccinated. Assuming people accept the vaccine and also continue to follow protocols (masks and distancing) we could start to see a true drop off in cases and the real beginning of the end of the pandemic. We are so close.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

So who is to blame here in your opinion? Disney for being open? Or guests for going?

I still believe theme parks being open -and- holding guests accountable on COVID protocols (read: Disney, Cedar Fair, Universal on weekdays. Not SeaWorld/Busch, Fun Spot, Universal on weekends, Dollywood, some Six Flags parks) is actually doing a good service right now. It is providing safe, outdoor, distanced recreation for folks that are going to go out no matter what. Let's say a group of 5 or 6 friends or family members from different households are going to get together for a day out no matter what the guidelines/recommendations are. Theme parks give them an option to get together outdoors, with masks required, and distancing protocols with the general public. That same group likely would have gotten together in a home, bar, or somewhere else without masking. But the park provides a safe option. And of course the employees are able to work and the park is able to make it economically.

People aren't going to stay home. That's been proven for 9 months. Parks are also one of the safest forms of recreation with good mitigation protocols. I say keep the parks open and close the bars.

You summed up what’s wrong right there.

Travel is not justified and there are no “good mitigation” if it applies to something unnecessary.

Spoiled. There’s more blame to go around...but let’s just leave it right there.

 

[GoofGoof]

You summed up what’s wrong right there.

Travel is not justified and there are no “good mitigation” if it applies to someibt unnecessary.

Spoiled. There’s more blame to go around...but let’s just leave it right there.

...and to be fair to Disney it’s not the parks that are the problem it’s the travel.

If we take Disney World out of the equation and replace it with the beach or a National park it’s the same issue. People travel to Florida to go to the beach or to Wyoming to go to Yellowstone. The beach itself is not an unsafe place but if someone gets on a plane and flies to FL to go to the beach and stays in a hotel room for multiple nights and eats out for every meal that becomes more of an issue for Covid spread. I don’t think we should close all the beaches in FL because some people choose to fly to FL to visit them. It’s up to people to make the right decision and not travel and spend extensive time doing things that are higher risk. The beach itself isn’t the Covid safety issue it’s the fact that the person is eating all their meals out in restaurants with no mask on and generally spending way more time than normal in public with contact with people during a spike in cases. Now in the beach example it’s possible to rent a condo and bring your own food or get takeout, but outside of DVC villas that’s not as practical at WDW.

 

[matt9112]

Vertigo occurs when your brain’s proprioception (mainly your semicircular canals in your ear but also proprioceptive nerves all over your body) sensors either disagree with each other and/or your visual input. Your brain can’t make sense of this disconnect (the room starts spinning) and it reads this as you being poisoned (causing a protein spill.). As we age the fluid in our semicircular canals thicken and cause sensations to be delayed and dampened such that our eyes are delivering information faster and different then your ear is which is why kids almost never get Vertigo and it gets more common the older you get.

I cant wait till we can rid humanity of these soft fragile sacks of flesh known as the human body. I want to be uploaded into a far superior and useful housing.

 

[Lilofan]

I cant wait till we can rid humanity of these soft fragile sacks of flesh known as the human body. I want to be uploaded into a far superior and useful housing.

What comes to mind is from one of the old Rocky movies, Rocky 3. Drago the arch villain boxer from Russia, the perfect human species secretly being injected behind the scenes.

 

[matt9112]

So hard core Loser Candidate then?

I don’t like to label anyone that. I just want the scourge to be gone. You just labeled yourself.

And now there’s nothing to say.

So your saying "traditional news outlets" dont word and or write things to slant or bias a topic?

 

[matt9112]

What comes to mind is from one of the old Rocky movies, Rocky 3. Drago the arch villain boxer from Russia, the perfect human species secretly being injected behind the scenes.

Im thinking more metal....less science freak and more Irobot.

 

[matt9112]

I honestly never understood anyone defending optional travel...but I understand the impulse.

But now...with a vaccine that appears to be effective?
Why? In the name of sweet baby jesus, what possible leisure justification is there now?

“You’re booked”?
Cancel..:everyone is giving you your investment back (with one notable exception...but I won’t go there)
“You’re careful”?
So what?...not everyone you’ll pass will be...and you don’t need to go there
“But you’re only ____ once”?
So?...we live too long anyway (if we’re not stupid and/or unlucky)...17,18....49,50...74,75...what’s the frikkin difference if you look at it with big boy/girl pants on?

Remember the bad 2001 sequel? “2010: the year we made Contact”?

“2020: the year our selfishness overpowered our brains and made us stupid”

To be fair the only risk is being ill or dying right? I mean your point of view is rooted in the notion that death is purely bad. Period full stop. You just said we live too long?

 

[Disstevefan1]

It’s not contagious.

Covid is. And there is a more transmissible Strain that has moved out from Britain.

You continue to embarrass yourself with inferences to hoax theory. Just sit tight, do what you’re told and let’s get beyond this. It’s just that simple.

Then we can talk Disney park nonsense until we’re blue in the face...it just won’t be from gasping for air.

I NEVER said anything was a hoax. I never used the word. You are inferring too much into my posts. That is embarrassing.

 

[HarperRose]

Sigh

Data Visualization | COVID-19 Deaths by Age | The Heritage Foundation

According to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, COVID-19 is deadliest among older populations. CDC data also show that Americans, regardless of age group, are far more likely to die of something other than COVID-19. From @HeritageDataViz

www.heritage.org

please note that only 0.02 percentage of those under 25 died from having covid. So for their age bracket, they have 99.8 percent chance of surviving. I can break it down further if you would like.

the 1 in 1000 does not take into account by age group, risk factor and so on. My original statement stands true: for many age brackets, your odds of surviving if catching covid are drastically high, around 99 percent and I will provide the CDCs own statistics to back this up. This is based on percentage of deaths vs cumulative cases in said age bracket (US only). If I were to actually do the percentages of deaths and cases versus population total in the us, my case would be strengthened (as there are millions more people in each bracket then actual case numbers in the bracket).

and what part of “this doesn’t mean we should throw all caution to the wind” didn’t read correctly? I think you’re fighting on the wrong hill here my friend

Wait, did you really just try to pass off the Heritage Foundation as any kind of legitimate source on anything???

 

[HarperRose]

Thank you DC for these daily updates.. but once again.. horrible.
A good friend of mine and I were talking this morning. He just told me his 96 year old father has been tested and positive for Covid. Now I know he lives in his own place and I know he hasn’t gone out in 9 months and also know that my friend and his 2 sisters have been bringing him food and supplies to his front door since this all started. I said how the heck did he catch it? His assistant nurse who visits each day for 4-6 hrs had it. She even said she went to a baby shower with about 20 people. Even when you do everything you are supposed to do, it can get you because of someone’s irresponsibility.
his in the hospital and believe it or not, not doing to bad. Hard to breathe but in good spirits. Been 5 days now so hoping for the best.

This is why I have zero tolerance for anti-maskers and covid-deniers. No, I will not tolerate your selfishness and ignorance when it could potentially kill other people.

 

[correcaminos]

I remember you talking about her on MO and it seemed like maybe y'all were close. I'm sure that was very hard not being able to be with her or at her funeral. My condolences.

Thank you. I will admit to one thing I am relieved about, she is free of her body. She was super upbeat and lived her life beyond what anyone thought of her. They told my grandparents that she'd only live a day or two, then would never talk or walk, or... well fill in the blank. She surpassed life expectancies more than once. She smiled and had joy and loved Disney. She was buried with mouse ears and a Mickey & Minnie throw. So we honored her. She was given a year or two to live past her ALS diagnosis on top of cerebral palsy. She lived almost 4. I'll miss seeing her, but she also was struggling. I had wished we had more time and more trips but once confined to her chair we knew we couldn't. When people say rest in peace, for her it was a blessing.

It does anger me that people are such stick in the muds about rights and downplaying. Other countries have better control because people are selfless and not jerks about it. Here we have people thumbing their noses for hidden agendas. If we had been better maybe we could have had one last goodbye in person. But my last visit was via Google Duo because people are selfish.

We have jerks like Kirk Cameron staging protests in CA under the name of Christianity. Total BS

We'll do a full funeral when we can. I hope for her birthday this summer. She would've been 70. So for goodness sake people shut up about "freedoms" stay home and wear your mask so those suffering can have an end to it. It's not that hard!

 

[SamusAranX]

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Wait, did you really just try to pass off the Heritage Foundation as any kind of legitimate source on anything???

I cited other sources as well, including the CDC, not that you care, since your business in this thread is to be toxic apparently. I don’t vote or take sides in political debates or issues, so I don’t know who or what you consider a bad source. Bless your heart.

 

[SamusAranX]

Thank you. I will admit to one thing I am relieved about, she is free of her body. She was super upbeat and lived her life beyond what anyone thought of her. They told my grandparents that she'd only live a day or two, then would never talk or walk, or... well fill in the blank. She surpassed life expectancies more than once. She smiled and had joy and loved Disney. She was buried with mouse ears and a Mickey & Minnie throw. So we honored her. She was given a year or two to live past her ALS diagnosis on top of cerebral palsy. She lived almost 4. I'll miss seeing her, but she also was struggling. I had wished we had more time and more trips but once confined to her chair we knew we couldn't. When people say rest in peace, for her it was a blessing.

It does anger me that people are such stick in the muds about rights and downplaying. Other countries have better control because people are selfless and not jerks about it. Here we have people thumbing their noses for hidden agendas. If we had been better maybe we could have had one last goodbye in person. But my last visit was via Google Duo because people are selfish.

We have jerks like Kirk Cameron staging protests in CA under the name of Christianity. Total BS

We'll do a full funeral when we can. I hope for her birthday this summer. She would've been 70. So for goodness sake people shut up about "freedoms" stay home and wear your mask so those suffering can have an end to it. It's not that hard!

Other countries did better because they did a hard lockdown, not because their people are necessarily less selfish. People were flocking together and doing dumb crap overseas too, which caused surges again. although Americans seemed to have cornered the market on the silly anti mask Karen’s. In that way, yeah a lot of ppl here are selfish.

the more I think about it, the more I wish a hard lockdown even for just three weeks had occurred nationwide in April. Then they could have gotten all the silly court challenges out of the way and we here could have hopefully gotten used to it. Then repeat in November. Kind of like you have to make a kid try broccoli multiples times before they may like it or at least tolerate it.