Tony the Tigger
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Nobody need be affected if the shutdowns were properly handled.
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GoofGoof
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Exactly. Look at the rest of the world. Any place that implemented real restrictions also made sure to take care of workers and businesses as well. Somehow in this country it was decided by a lot of people that you either choose the economy or public health. If done right you can protect both...we did not do it right, not even close.
Just a little preview of the nationalized health care everyone wants so bad.
And does that memo not say "if we reach"?
Ummm, what?
Chi84
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Wasn’t California consistently one of the states with the most restrictions?
As COVID-19 explodes, was California too strict for its own good?
How did it all go wrong for the state that issued the nation's first stay-at-home order?...
Jrb1979
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Yes it does. That memo is to say what rationing means. They are already at that point.
Wasn’t California consistently one of the states with the most restrictions?
As COVID-19 explodes, was California too strict for its own good?
How did it all go wrong for the state that issued the nation's first stay-at-home order?...www.sfgate.com
Restrictions don't work at home. A lot of the blame is on family gatherings from Thanksgiving. It will continue probably through Christmas. IMO its going to continue to get worse before it gets better. Its all cause people have to people.
SamusAranX
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Yes, but unless you’re gonna begin arresting people having parties or gatherings of more then a couple people in their home (I.e. a legally defined limit)...I don’t know any state willing to go there (yet)Wasn’t California consistently one of the states with the most restrictions?
As COVID-19 explodes, was California too strict for its own good?
How did it all go wrong for the state that issued the nation's first stay-at-home order?...
correcaminos
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They won't go out of business. Covid deniers are real and where they live, no one cares or will turn them in. It's infuriating. The areas here that were benefiting most from lock downs of various levels just don't care.
Did I say full lock down? No. Were things shut down on us. Heck yeah.
Essentials were open. That was it. Only take out. Only essential stores. Many businesses were closed. Schools were mandated to be closed as were day cares. Even city playgrounds were closed. My mostly outdoor zoo was mandated closed as were amusement parks. So no, I could not do what I wanted. It was much harsher than any mandate or even stay at home order ever was.
lazyboy97o
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And start arresting business owners and sheriffs and everyone else who has decided to ignore the restrictions.
Chi84
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I don’t know if it’s that simple. In Illinois our governor predicted a surge after Thanksgiving gatherings, but the surge never happened. Instead, the positivity rate has been declining steadily since November 10.
It’s hard for me to believe Illinoisans were better than the citizens of other states in limiting Thanksgiving gatherings. In fact, one poster who lives in a small town said the people there refuse to wear masks or social distance because they hate the governor!
SamusAranX
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Good lord would the Karen’s riot then
Jrb1979
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Consider it lucky.
Chi84
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Yes, but at some point we need to acknowledge and respond to reality rather than pontificating on how much better things would be if people didn’t act like people.
The article suggested that states that allowed some level of re-openings (even if they had to close again) may be doing better because they allowed people a bit of relief from several months of restrictions. This made them more willing to comply for the long haul. I don’t know if that’s true or not, but it’s something to consider. It seems pretty obvious that California’s system isn’t working any better than other states’.
One of the reasons there aren't extra supplies of ventilators, masks, PPE, ICU wings is that the capitalized and commercialized for-profit health care system has zero incentive to stockpile (and keep the stockpile 'fresh') in case of emergencies. Privatized health care systems don't profit from such stockpiling. Nor are they required to do so.
However, stockpiling is what governments do since they're supposed to be ready for emergencies and it is bankrolled by the entire population.
But, it is hysterically ironic that you point to a failure in the current for-profit system and claim that's a property of a nationalized system. You really don't see that the thing you're pointing to is evidence of a failure of a privatized health care system? Because, it's proof positive. That you pointed out. Good on you.
Jrb1979
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True. People are going to people. Still too many people not taking this seriously and doing things that aren't needed and taking risks that aren't needed. That trip to WDW can wait.
Jrb1979
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@rowrbazzle be angry all you want but there is no one to blame but people.
Chi84
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Yes this we know. I believe it’s been said here somewhere before. I’m just wondering if maybe our leadership can come up with something more creative to motivate people who are at their wits’ end by now.
If you think people are not complying now, telling them that restrictions will continue an indefinite time after the vaccine is widely available is unlikely to produce a better result. Biden seems to understand this - I’m surprised so many people don’t.
GoofGoof
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Los Angeles Testing For Dangerous New Coronavirus Variant As COVID-19 Cases Soar
Officials suspect the more contagious variant may be contributing to the troubling spike.
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