Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[DisneyCane]

I don't have time right now but maybe someone can find the transcript, audio or video of exactly what Desantis said in context. I also believe that article is quoting something from before the EUA was issued.

The link below has his full statement from Thursday. Nothing in it references one way or the other if he is planning a one dose plan.

COVID-19 | Florida Department of Health

COVID-19

floridahealthcovid19.gov

Either way, by Florida law the "State Health Official" (who I think is the surgeon general) is the one who should be making these decisions. I don't know what is going on officially but it could be that Desantis is just making announcements but isn't making decisions.

 

[DisneyCane]

and there it is....

Last I checked, the USA was not an authoritarian dictatorship and Dr. Fauci is not the Supreme Leader.

The vast majority of people will not accept "mitigation" once the vaccine is widely available. At that point it is purely unelected health officials on power trips.

 

[DCBaker]

FLORIDUH....you in danger girl.

Gov. DeSantis suggests one dose of Pfizer vaccine may be enough

The government is allocating the vaccination on a per capita basis.

floridapolitics.com

During a press conference happening now, Desantis says -

"So, the vaccines that were delivered today, for every vaccine that hits, there's a corresponding booster that is being withheld, a they didn't want to send all, I think smartly, because you don't want to keep 200k vaccines and tell someone they can't get it. So you're going to use that and then, when it's time for the booster in 21 days, those other shots will come and that they can be given the booster shot for this."

 

[oceanbreeze77]

Last I checked, the USA was not an authoritarian dictatorship and Dr. Fauci is not the Supreme Leader.

The vast majority of people will not accept "mitigation" once the vaccine is widely available. At that point it is purely unelected health officials on power trips.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

During a press conference happening now, Desantis says -

"So, the vaccines that were delivered today, for every vaccine that hits, there's a corresponding booster that is being withheld, a they didn't want to send all, I think smartly, because you don't want to keep 200k vaccines and tell someone they can't get it. So you're going to use that and then, when it's time for the booster in 21 days, those other shots will come and that they can be given the booster shot for this."

ohmygod, he needs to stop calling it a booster shot. You NEED the second dose for the first one to be effective. So many vaccine doses are going to go to waste.

 

[easyrowrdw]

During a press conference happening now, Desantis says -

"So, the vaccines that were delivered today, for every vaccine that hits, there's a corresponding booster that is being withheld, a they didn't want to send all, I think smartly, because you don't want to keep 200k vaccines and tell someone they can't get it. So you're going to use that and then, when it's time for the booster in 21 days, those other shots will come and that they can be given the booster shot for this."

Thanks for the information and helping clear it up. It sounds like bad reporting from that website. The statement you quoted is consistent with what I read elsewhere.

Gen. Gustave F. Perna, the chief operating officer for Operation Warp Speed, said he was taking a cautious approach to doling out the vaccine, setting aside for subsequent shipments another 2.9 million doses for booster shots, which are given three weeks later, as well as an emergency reserve supply...“Eventually, we will become much more confident in our manufacturing, our distribution process, state handling, et cetera,” General Perna said. “And then the requirement for reserve won’t be necessary.”

First Coronavirus Vaccines Head to States, Starting Historic Effort (Published 2020)

Distributing supplies is a daunting logistical challenge, involving sophisticated tracking equipment, military contingencies and tight security.

www.nytimes.com

 

[sbunit]

Last I checked, the USA was not an authoritarian dictatorship and Dr. Fauci is not the Supreme Leader.

The vast majority of people will not accept "mitigation" once the vaccine is widely available. At that point it is purely unelected health officials on power trips.

I think the government and policy makers have to do a good job to transition the mitigations instead of holding firm once herb immunity is within grasp. I just feel a lot of people have reached a point of substantial Covid Fatique (irrespective of whether anyone feels it is justified or not, I just think that's the case and it is what it is) that they mentally will not be able to handle prolonged restrictions once the warm weather starts to arrive again and the vaccine starts to take an affect on the population. IMO it will be in everyone's best interest to smoothly transition and gradually loosen mitigation and actually show people this is really ending while not being irresponsible over it. It would also help if these policy makers can just articulate things better.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Last I checked, the USA was not an authoritarian dictatorship and Dr. Fauci is not the Supreme Leader.

The vast majority of people will not accept "mitigation" once the vaccine is widely available. At that point it is purely unelected health officials on power trips.

Again you deny science.
He is not in anyway saying this is a dictatorship and in no way he is making anyone believe he is the supreme leader. Just stop it.
What he is saying that this is what the science tells us. We need to try and adhere to it as much as possible to get things back to what we all want.
You don’t need to go on a constitutional rant every time a scientist speaks about what’s best for the country. Maybe is we listened a lot earlier to them we wouldn’t be looking at 300,00 lost lives right now and climbing steadily.

 

[Bob Harlem]

 

[danlb_2000]

Last I checked, the USA was not an authoritarian dictatorship and Dr. Fauci is not the Supreme Leader.

The vast majority of people will not accept "mitigation" once the vaccine is widely available. At that point it is purely unelected health officials on power trips.

He may not be the supreme leader, but I am glad he is willing to say what needs to be said even if people aren't going to like it.

 

[Patcheslee]

ohmygod, he needs to stop calling it a booster shot. You NEED the second dose for the first one to be effective. So many vaccine doses are going to go to waste.

Is there a difference between a booster and regular shot?

 

[carolina_yankee]

Last I checked, the USA was not an authoritarian dictatorship and Dr. Fauci is not the Supreme Leader.

The vast majority of people will not accept "mitigation" once the vaccine is widely available. At that point it is purely unelected health officials on power trips.

He's not speaking from a power trip. He's speaking as a scientist who has an educated understanding of how the numbers and risk for infection are likely to go as we move through the year.

The good news is that if people stop wearing masks, the numbers will tell us whether or not they're being smart.

The bad news is there will be some empty seats at the dinner table if people's own decisions that they're done with the virus are wrong.

I would think a more patriotic and socially concerned attitude would be "I sure hope things improve quickly enough that I don't have to wear masks this summer, but you know what, if it helps get this behind us faster, I'm gonna do what's necessary. And, gosh darn it, thank goodness we have some of the smartest scientists in the world who have dedicated their lives for just this thing. They've been pretty right so far, so let's listen to what they have to say."

 

[danlb_2000]

I don't have time right now but maybe someone can find the transcript, audio or video of exactly what Desantis said in context. I also believe that article is quoting something from before the EUA was issued.

The link below has his full statement from Thursday. Nothing in it references one way or the other if he is planning a one dose plan.

COVID-19 | Florida Department of Health

COVID-19

floridahealthcovid19.gov

Either way, by Florida law the "State Health Official" (who I think is the surgeon general) is the one who should be making these decisions. I don't know what is going on officially but it could be that Desantis is just making announcements but isn't making decisions.

That sort of decision should ONLY be by the drug company along with the FDA, it would be stupid to give a medication in a way other then what is prescribed by the manufacturer.

 

[danlb_2000]

Is there a difference between a booster and regular shot?

I may just be semantics. I have seen a lot of articles use the term "booster shot" for the second one, but Pfizer's press release just refers to it as a second shot.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

Is there a difference between a booster and regular shot?

the Full vaccine is 2 shots. A booster is a shot later on to keep up immunity.

 

[easyrowrdw]

That sort of decision should ONLY be by the drug company along with the FDA, it would be stupid to give a medication in a way other then what is prescribed by the manufacturer.

I think the question was how much of the vaccine should be distributed right now. The Times article I read indicated there was some disagreement about whether supply at the federal level should be withheld right now. The feds decided to do so to be cautious, but others thought they should send out more. It didn't indicate anything about some wanting to administer the dose not according to the manufacturer protocols.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

Again you deny science.
He is not in anyway saying this is a dictatorship and in no way he is making anyone believe he is the supreme leader. Just stop it.
What he is saying that this is what the science tells us. We need to try and adhere to it as much as possible to get things back to what we all want.
You don’t need to go on a constitutional rant every time a scientist speaks about what’s best for the country. Maybe is we listened a lot earlier to them we wouldn’t be looking at 300,00 lost lives right now and climbing steadily.

He may not be the supreme leader, but I am glad he is willing to say what needs to be said even if people aren't going to like it.

He's not speaking from a power trip. He's speaking as a scientist who has an educated understanding of how the numbers and risk for infection are likely to go as we move through the year.

The good news is that if people stop wearing masks, the numbers will tell us whether or not they're being smart.

The bad news is there will be some empty seats at the dinner table if people's own decisions that they're done with the virus are wrong.

I would think a more patriotic and socially concerned attitude would be "I sure hope things improve quickly enough that I don't have to wear masks this summer, but you know what, if it helps get this behind us faster, I'm gonna do what's necessary. And, gosh darn it, thank goodness we have some of the smartest scientists in the world who have dedicated their lives for just this thing. They've been pretty right so far, so let's listen to what they have to say."

Thank god we will have a leader who will actually follow real science.

 

[DisneyCane]

Again you deny science.
He is not in anyway saying this is a dictatorship and in no way he is making anyone believe he is the supreme leader. Just stop it.
What he is saying that this is what the science tells us. We need to try and adhere to it as much as possible to get things back to what we all want.
You don’t need to go on a constitutional rant every time a scientist speaks about what’s best for the country. Maybe is we listened a lot earlier to them we wouldn’t be looking at 300,00 lost lives right now and climbing steadily.

What the "science" tells us about what? Getting cases to zero? Deaths to zero? We don't "mitigate" for other diseases that don't meet that metric.

So tell me, what is the goal that "science" tells us needs to be done to accomplish?

 

[DisneyCane]

He's not speaking from a power trip. He's speaking as a scientist who has an educated understanding of how the numbers and risk for infection are likely to go as we move through the year.

The good news is that if people stop wearing masks, the numbers will tell us whether or not they're being smart.

The bad news is there will be some empty seats at the dinner table if people's own decisions that they're done with the virus are wrong.

I would think a more patriotic and socially concerned attitude would be "I sure hope things improve quickly enough that I don't have to wear masks this summer, but you know what, if it helps get this behind us faster, I'm gonna do what's necessary. And, gosh darn it, thank goodness we have some of the smartest scientists in the world who have dedicated their lives for just this thing. They've been pretty right so far, so let's listen to what they have to say."

You are focusing on "masks." I'm focusing on the part about no large indoor gaherings and social distancing (translation: restrictions).

As I asked above, what goal is he "right" about the methods required to achieve?

 

[DisneyCane]

Just out of curiosity, how many people commenting about "science" in this thread have any advanced scientific education? I do. Show of hands please and taking a biology class in college doesn't count. I mean people for whom science was an integral part of their education.