Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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Parker in NYC

Parker in NYC

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DisneyCane said:
Just out of curiosity, how many people commenting about "science" in this thread have any advanced scientific education? I do. Show of hands please and taking a biology class in college doesn't count. I mean people for whom science was an integral part of their education.
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I subscribe to the show not tell test. If you have to provide your educational background, you've obviously made some missteps in presenting your case.
 
sullyinMT

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oceanbreeze77 said:
ohmygod, he needs to stop calling it a booster shot. You NEED the second dose for the first one to be effective. So many vaccine doses are going to go to waste.
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It’s a fine layman’s term that people will understand. It’s not “correct,” but we can trust the clinics/hospitals/ltc facilities (especially this first round that’s going to their colleagues and patients/residents), to do the proper education and follow up.
 
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techgeek

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DisneyCane said:
What the "science" tells us about what? Getting cases to zero? Deaths to zero? We don't "mitigate" for other diseases that don't meet that metric.

So tell me, what is the goal that "science" tells us needs to be done to accomplish?
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False equivalency. Covid has unique characteristics in spread and severity that warrant at least a specific level of mitigation to avoid overwhelming the healthcare system.

But for that matter... we do mitigate for the flu every year, for the same reasons. We have annual vaccines, we have temporarily closed schools and workplaces, and we’ve asked people to avoid certain situations if they have had recent exposure.
 
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oceanbreeze77

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sullivan.kscott said:
It’s a fine layman’s term that people will understand. It’s not “correct,” but we can trust the clinics/hospitals/ltc facilities (especially this first round that’s going to their colleagues and patients/residents), to do the proper education and follow up.
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I see what youre saying, but there is a huge risk in having people believe that a crucial part of the vaccine is just a booster.
 
Parker in NYC

Parker in NYC

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sullivan.kscott said:
It’s a fine layman’s term that people will understand. It’s not “correct,” but we can trust the clinics/hospitals/ltc facilities (especially this first round that’s going to their colleagues and patients/residents), to do the proper education and follow up.
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Can we? And of course, can we also expect the stupid masses to comply?
 
sullyinMT

sullyinMT

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ParkerLoLs said:
Can we? And of course, can we also expect the stupid masses to comply?
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Again, for the first round of people, we’re talking docs, nurses, and support staff that will be closely monitored by their place of employment or credentialed facility. Yes, we can trust that.

And the way I’ve seen early plans, with everything from the old school CDC shot record index card to electronic MyChart follow-up working in conjunction, facilities will do everything in their power to ensure people come back in time for their boost.

Hell, the protocol is referred to as prime-boost. So if multiple outlets refer to it as a “booster,” I really don’t see the fight. We can argue semantics all day long, but Joe Q Public working at the oil refinery just wants to know when he can attend a football game again and how to get there. Call it whatever that doesn’t invite politics into it and get him to his appointment, who cares.
 
Heppenheimer

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DisneyCane said:
Just out of curiosity, how many people commenting about "science" in this thread have any advanced scientific education? I do. Show of hands please and taking a biology class in college doesn't count. I mean people for whom science was an integral part of their education.
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Me. I majored in biology, took all the necessary premed science courses, plus 8 credit hours of biostatistics, attended medical school and am board certified in family medicine. I'm also certified to act as a flight surgeon, which involves some extra course work in preventative medicine, amongst other topics.

And I can safely say in my professional opinion, having read your posts for several months, that the country would be far worse off if your preferred mitigation strategies were followed.
 
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easyrowrdw

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sullivan.kscott said:
It’s a fine layman’s term that people will understand. It’s not “correct,” but we can trust the clinics/hospitals/ltc facilities (especially this first round that’s going to their colleagues and patients/residents), to do the proper education and follow up.
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I've seen the Times, Post, NPR and many others refer to the second dose as a booster. An article I read in the Lancet did too. If reputable publications and peer-reviewed journals are fine with the term, then I am too.
 
sullyinMT

sullyinMT

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WillWrambles said:
The information that this second dose is required still needs to be widly known.
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That’s a big deal that I feel the general news media has left out. Some of the talking heads, when interviewed, have tried to bring it up. But it’s not well publicized, imo.
Hopefully, by the time we get to wave 2 of vaccinations, elderly and at-risk adults not in nursing homes, that message is out by whatever title we give the shot
 
SamusAranX

SamusAranX

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techgeek said:
False equivalency. Covid has unique characteristics in spread and severity that warrant at least a specific level of mitigation to avoid overwhelming the healthcare system.

But for that matter... we do mitigate for the flu every year, for the same reasons. We have annual vaccines, we have temporarily closed schools and workplaces, and we’ve asked people to avoid certain situations if they have had recent exposure.
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But we do not [mitigate] to the level we have now. I hate to speak for the poster, but that's what he means; the severity

I have never heard of concerts, religious gatherings, weddings, outdoor festivals, conventions, travel plans, sports seasons, workplaces, holiday gatherings, graduation parties, protests, and so on [its a long list] being asked to postpone, limit attendance, have everyone social distance, go remote, or outright cancel during flu season, at least not an consistent basis.

I have no problem with continued measures such as testing or proof of vaccination, and avoidance of contact if for sure exposed. But to keep the same restrictions we have in place now [after enough are vaccinated] is going to require a HUGE leap of cognitive backflips.
 
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