Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[DVCakaCarlF]

What did you think about the IQ of the people peacefully protesting the death of humans at hands of police?

Never seen them

 

[DisneyCane]

The Sturgis bike rally disagrees with you.

You know that people who attend the rally go to bars to drink while in Sturgis, don't you?

 

[Jrb1979]

Of course not...the media and politicians up for election can’t upset a voting group practicing their rights.

if you even google it, you get articles supporting that the protests did NOT contribute to the virus...I know ACORN when I see it.

Its so sad to see this become such a political thing.

 

[Chi84]

Without question it needed a response. There was no name calling just a plea to stop with the same diminishing data about masks. We not only have a right to correct someone on the facts but to try and stop the flow of bad information and data. I said in my response it’s his opinion and he’s entitled to it but when you constantly belittle data that is widely believed, with no links or studies to things you say here, it doesn’t do good for any of us.

My concern is that once the discussion turned to masks, everything else took a backseat. What he said about the lack of evidence of transmission during brief, outside contacts is correct - I've seen nothing from the CDC or other sources indicating that passing by someone outside is a likely source of transmission. You can't provide a source for lack of evidence - just go to the CDC site and read what it says about likely sources of transmission.

I have no issue with being required to wear masks right now, but I'm not on board with the hypocrisy. I've seen awful comments made to parents who can't get their two-year-olds to wear masks (stay home, too bad for you), yet anticipated holiday gatherings are exempted because, well, "we haven't seen each other since February." If these gatherings include relatives who are traveling, work outside the home, go to school, etc., they are much more likely to spread the virus to the elderly than not wearing a mask in a grocery store. But we don't call these people selfish or put them on the "stupid train." (I know that wasn't you.)

This virus is having a terrible impact on everyone. If we objectively examine our own behavior and listen to one another even if we don't like what is being said, maybe we can be a bit more compassionate and possibly learn something. Once again, I'm not talking about the people who lick the plexiglass at stores or deny that COVID exists - there's no hope for them.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

You know that people who attend the rally go to bars to drink while in Sturgis, don't you?

Did you see the huge numbers of people in the streets basically on top of each other with no masks?

 

[Jrb1979]

My concern is that once the discussion turned to masks, everything else took a backseat. What he said about the lack of evidence of transmission during brief, outside contacts is correct - I've seen nothing from the CDC or other sources indicating that passing by someone outside is a likely source of transmission. You can't provide a source for lack of evidence - just go to the CDC site and read what it says about likely sources of transmission.

I have no issue with being required to wear masks right now, but I'm not on board with the hypocrisy. I've seen awful comments made to parents who can't get their two-year-olds to wear masks (stay home, too bad for you), yet anticipated holiday gatherings are exempted because, well, "we haven't seen each other since February." If these gatherings include relatives who are traveling, work outside the home, go to school, etc., they are much more likely to spread the virus to the elderly than not wearing a mask in a grocery store. But we don't call these people selfish or put them on the "stupid train." (I know that wasn't you.)

This virus is having a terrible impact on everyone. If we objectively examine our own behavior and listen to one another even if we don't like what is being said, maybe we can be a bit more compassionate and possibly learn something. Once again, I'm not talking about the people who lick the plexiglass at stores or deny that COVID exists - there's no hope for them.

Here they are telling people not to get together to celebrate any festivities. They are telling everyone to keep it to your immediate family only. Our cases have ever since our Thanksgiving happened 2 weeks ago. People really just need to do stay home if sick and what would help the most is stop with the "magic mask" talk and being in a zombie apocalypse.

 

[Chi84]

“Objection! Goes to pattern...”

At this point: everyone OWNS what they’ve said.

None of us want to be in some depressed, lockdown environment. But everyone needs to come around to addressing how best to work the problem...not talk about their personal hopes and dreams

Modus operandi requires a lot more, so objection denied. When it comes to addressing how to best work the problem, I can't imagine a less effective way to get your point across than childish insults.

 

[GoofGoof]

Nothing that @DisneyCane said in this particular post justified that kind of response. It's not the subject of masks that people here object to, but what is said about them. Yesterday, someone posted a somewhat impassioned plea for everyone to wear masks (#42,191) and no one objected to the subject of masks being discussed.

As always, one's tolerance for speech increases greatly when one agrees with what is being said.

People need to wear masks. Period. That’s the way it is. If someone doesn’t believe masks are effective or doesn’t believe they should have to wear one they are free to not go places that require them. That’s all that needs to be said. I don't apologize for making an “impassioned plea”. People need to start/continue to do what’s needed. The rest is just politically motivated nonsense IMHO. I have no interest in debating the effectiveness of masks, especially with people who have already made up their minds. Others are free to do it and free to post articles or statistics or whatever they choose. As I said in the past and at the start of this post. If a mask is required, wear a mask.

 

[Chi84]

People need to wear masks. Period. That’s the way it is. If someone doesn’t believe masks are effective or doesn’t believe they should have to wear one they are free to not go places that require them. That’s all that needs to be said. I don't apologize for making an “impassioned plea”. People need to start/continue to do what’s needed. The rest is just politically motivated nonsense IMHO. I have no interest in debating the effectiveness of masks, especially with people who have already made up their minds. Others are free to do it and free to post articles or statistics or whatever they choose. As I said in the past and at the start of this post. If a mask is required, wear a mask.

No one said anything about not wearing a mask when it's required. You're knocking down a straw man. As far as not having an interest in debating the effectiveness of masks, all evidence appears to be to the contrary. Saying "that's all that needs to be said" isn't going to cut off discussion in a discussion forum.

 

[GoofGoof]

Food for thought:

COVID-19 Vaccine Standards Questioned at FDA Advisory Meeting

FDA advisers on Thursday heard calls for changes in how the agency plans to review applications for clearance of COVID-19 vaccines.

www.medscape.com

Some legitimate concerns, perhaps? Personally, I'm of the opinion that even if the initial vaccine released is only partially effective at reducing community spread, that's a far improvement over what's happening today.

They do raise some interesting points that perhaps the 2 month observational period may not be enough to ensure adequate safety. They perhaps have a good point for the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines, since this technology has never before seen used. 2 months should be more than sufficient for the other vaccines using traditional methods, though.

The 2 month mark does seem a bit early or maybe “aggressive” but I posted this quote a few pages back from the FDA director involved with approving vaccines and he is saying most bad reactions to vaccines happen in the first 2-3 months. He lists 2 of the most common as GBS, usually within 6 weeks and transverse myelitis within 3 months. By the time they apply for approval and get the approval it’s will be another 2-3 weeks minimum after the 2 months so in reality the first wave of public vaccines will be pretty close to 3 months out. The larger roll out to the general public may be a month even 2 later. Its more risky than a fully approved vaccine, but the risks seem to outweigh the reward for both public health and the economy.

zOn the safety front, I know there was a lot of back and forth on why this vaccine can be approved in a fraction of the normal time. The 2 month safety data requirement was discussed in an interview with the Journal of the American Medical Association by Dr. Peter Marks, director of the Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research, the FDA division that approves vaccines. He said, “Most bad reactions to vaccines come between two and three months after people get them. For instance, Guillain-Barre, perhaps it's six weeks, but for transverse myelitis, it's more like three months," Marks said. "We picked two months as something that was reasonably aggressive, yet also somewhat, kind of in the middle," said Marks "Not too aggressive, not too conservative -- in the middle."

Pfizer will be continuing to monitor their trial participants for 2 years but the key concept here is they would expect adverse reactions in 3 months or less which be well before the general public starts getting vaccinated. Just some food for thought if you are on the fence on vaccine safety.

here’s the full article which has a link halfway down to the the full Youtube video of the JAMA interview if you are really interested.

FDA wants two months of safety data before considering Covid-19 vaccine | CNN

The FDA wants two months of follow-up data after volunteers get their second dose of Covid-19 vaccine as part of clinical trials testing potential coronavirus vaccines.

edition.cnn.com

 

[MisterPenguin]

 

[oceanbreeze77]

Fauci suggested a face mask mandate and warned that the general public might not get a COVID-19 vaccine until mid-2021

Dr. Anthony Fauci's comments came as the US enters its third, and likely deadliest, coronavirus surge.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Fauci suggested a face mask mandate and warned that the general public might not get a COVID-19 vaccine until mid-2021

Dr. Anthony Fauci's comments came as the US enters its third, and likely deadliest, coronavirus surge.

www.businessinsider.com

From the article:

In the MSNBC interview, Fauci also confirmed reports that Trump had not attended a coronavirus task force meeting in months.

When asked by anchor Chuck Todd when Trump last attended a task force meeting, Fauci replied: "At a task force meeting, that was several months ago, Chuck, several months ago."

Fauci also said he had not had any direct involvement with the president "in a while" and that newly-appointed White House coronavirus advisor Dr. Scott Atlas has had a lot more contact with him.

"I definitely don't have his ear as much as Scott Atlas right now," he said.

That just proves, point blank, that Trump doesn't take the pandemic nearly as seriously as he should and that he only listens to people who cater to his ego.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

From the article:



That just proves, point blank, that Trump doesn't take the pandemic nearly as seriously as he should and that he only listens to people who cater to his ego.

I'm just going to continue to listen to the doctors and epidemiologists who specialize in this type of stuff.

 

[Dave B]

So all these people who have a problem with masks, why is it ok to be told to wear a seat belt in the car for your safety? Is it not the same thing?

 

[oceanbreeze77]

He’s such a “libtard” epidemiologist...
Doesn’t he know ma freedom is at stake if I can’t cough on a guy in line at 7-11 buying Red Bull?!?

I dont understand how quickly Fauci was labeled political. I mean I understand, but I dont..... if that makes sense.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

So all these people who have a problem with masks, why is it ok to be told to wear a seat belt in the car for your safety? Is it not the same thing?

Seat belts weren’t put on cable and ranted about 24/7...and there was no internet.

I get the blowback on masks - to a point - they suck. But I also get when the time for personal complaining is over.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I dont understand how quickly Fauci was labeled political. I mean I understand, but I dont..... if that makes sense.

In the long list of stupid...this is perhaps the dumbest. The guy has been in his job for 6 regimes...if he was political and that mattered - wouldn’t you think someone would have NARCed that out by now?

 

[GoofGoof]

Seat belts weren’t put on cable and ranted avoid 24/7...and there was no internet.

I get the blowback on masks - to a point - they suck. But I also get when the time for personal complaining is over.

I hate having to wear a mask too. I most likely will never step foot in a Disney park wearing one. That being said I support the requirement. I agree that the backlash against them is largely political and it’s a real shame to see.

 

[danlb_2000]

So all these people who have a problem with masks, why is it ok to be told to wear a seat belt in the car for your safety? Is it not the same thing?

I am betting that there are good segment of the anti-mask crowd who also don't believe in seatbelt laws.