Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[MisterPenguin]

• UFOs aren't aliens
• Masks work
• The earth is spherical
• No one said masks are magic, they reduce, not prevent contagion
• Vaccines don't cause autism
• The overwhelming majority of people who study diseases (epidemiologists) say masks work
• The globe is warming
• There's no evidence that childhood vaccines need to be 'spread out' to protect children from too many vaccines at once
• Ghosts don't exist
• COVID-19 is much worse than the flu
• 99% of lotions (homemade and sold) that are touted to have health benefits... don't. The skin that keeps blood in your body is the same thing keeping those lotions out
• Humans are responsible for global warming (this time around)
• ESP and other paranormal powers don't exist
• Humans have visited the moon
• The scientific method used by the overwhelming majority of epidemiologists is the same scientific method that makes your smart phone work
• Science isn't about perfect knowledge, it's about perfecting knowledge.... which is a whole lot better than ignorance.

 

[Chi84]

The guy you are defending is saying masks shouldn’t be required. He wants Disney to remove the requirement at the parks. It’s not a straw man. When you see a viral video of a guy in Costco or WDW or anywhere else screaming and ranting about masks he’s been emboldened by his social media echo chamber to act out and resist. It’s counterproductive for society to rail on about all the reasons masks are not needed (adding fuel to the fire) and then say at the end, but I still wear one. That’s why I said “people need to wear masks. Period.”

You are free to discuss whatever you want as long as the moderators allow it.

I don't think we disagree about anything except, possibly, the danger posed by disseminating differing information and views.

I'm not defending "the guy," just objecting to the response he got for posting something that is true - brief, outside contact with another has never been identified as a likely form of virus transmission. I think it's unreasonable to expect someone to know a poster's entire posting history in order to comment on one specific post.

I don't believe someone passing another guest outside at Disney is going to transmit the virus because nothing the CDC has said to date supports that conclusion. That said, Disney is a major theme park, with outside lines, fireworks displays, parades, etc. where people may be in close contact with each other for a significant amount of time. Given the sheer number of people and the crowd dynamics, it would be impossible for Disney to enforce any kind of mask requirement without requiring that they be worn at all times. It's an enforcement issue, not an issue with people getting infected from passing within six feet of someone without a mask. I don't believe that information is too dangerous for people to handle. You may disagree.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

I don't think we disagree about anything except, possibly, the danger posed by disseminating differing information and views.

I'm not defending "the guy," just objecting to the response he got for posting something that is true - brief, outside contact with another has never been identified as a likely form of virus transmission. I think it's unreasonable to expect someone to know a poster's entire posting history in order to comment on one specific post.

I don't believe someone passing another guest outside at Disney is going to transmit the virus because nothing the CDC has said to date supports that conclusion. That said, Disney is a major theme park, with outside lines, fireworks displays, parades, etc. where people may be in close contact with each other for a significant amount of time. Given the sheer number of people and the crowd dynamics, it would be impossible for Disney to enforce any kind of mask requirement without requiring that they be worn at all times. It's an enforcement issue, not an issue with people getting infected from passing within six feet of someone without a mask. I don't believe that information is too dangerous for people to handle. You may disagree.

You have far more faith in the intelligence of the public at large than I do. Just the fact that there are people who think mask mandates are violating their civil rights is enough to convince me that there does exist a threshold at which too much information could be dangerous for all of us...because there are people who will invariably take the wrong message from said information and run with it.

 

[marni1971]

Nothing that @DisneyCane said in this particular post justified that kind of response.
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It was quite polite, wasn’t it?

 

[Kevin_W]

I hate having to wear a mask too. I most likely will never step foot in a Disney park wearing one. That being said I support the requirement. I agree that the backlash against them is largely political and it’s a real shame to see.

Goof, I'd encourage you to not let the mask requirement be a detriment. There are a lot of good reasons to not go (price, reduced hours, reduced entertainment), but wearing a mask in the park was really not a big deal at all. (I'm not saying this as some kind of mask evangelist. They suck if you are doing cardio or something that elevates your heartrate, but for just walking the parks it's no issue.)

 

[easyrowrdw]

The the latest published in the New York Times suggests that even schools are not super spreaders.

Schoolchildren Seem Unlikely to Fuel Coronavirus Surges, Scientists Say

I guess this means that sending children to school is "following the science."

Maybe experience from the last few months also tells us that opening outdoor theme parks and strictly enforcing mask wearing and social distancing are not super spreader events?

Are you following the science, Gavin?

Indeed. Someone posted in the politics thread a graph breaking down school openings by infection rates and election results. It was striking to see how the differences in openings in the areas with low infection rates broke down across political persuasions.

 

[danlb_2000]

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• Ghosts don't exist

I know of 999 examples that disprove this.

 

[Rich Brownn]

So all these people who have a problem with masks, why is it ok to be told to wear a seat belt in the car for your safety? Is it not the same thing?

There was the exact kind of pushback when seatbelts were first introduced (More people will be trapped then saved, it infringes on my rights etc). Lack of understanding science isn't new.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

There was the exact kind of pushback when seatbelts were first introduced (More people will be trapped then saved, it infringes on my rights etc). Lack of understanding science isn't new.

Ignaz Semmelweis couldn’t get doctors to wash their hands in the 1860’s. They mocked him for the idea!

Denial isn’t just a joke for the jungle cruise

 

[GoofGoof]

I don't think we disagree about anything except, possibly, the danger posed by disseminating differing information and views.

I'm not defending "the guy," just objecting to the response he got for posting something that is true - brief, outside contact with another has never been identified as a likely form of virus transmission. I think it's unreasonable to expect someone to know a poster's entire posting history in order to comment on one specific post.

I don't believe someone passing another guest outside at Disney is going to transmit the virus because nothing the CDC has said to date supports that conclusion. That said, Disney is a major theme park, with outside lines, fireworks displays, parades, etc. where people may be in close contact with each other for a significant amount of time. Given the sheer number of people and the crowd dynamics, it would be impossible for Disney to enforce any kind of mask requirement without requiring that they be worn at all times. It's an enforcement issue, not an issue with people getting infected from passing within six feet of someone without a mask. I don't believe that information is too dangerous for people to handle. You may disagree.

His comments on masks and the parks were made less than 24 hours ago, no need to know his whole positing history.

I was more responding to the part of his post that was calling the masks magical. We can agree to disagree on the impact of that kind of rhetoric, but I’ve seen it time and time again during this pandemic where people take actions and in most cases it comes out later that they were heavily involved in some form of social media and influenced heavily by their echo chamber. I’m not saying that people don’t have a right to say what they want even if it’s detrimental to public policy, just that when that happens I think other people also have the right to call it out and encourage others to ignore the comments.

 

[GoofGoof]

Ignaz Semmelweis couldn’t get doctors to wash their hands in the 1860’s. They mocked him for the idea!

Denial isn’t just a joke for the jungle cruise

I could have used him at my office, there are several “repeat offenders“ who didn’t get that message and either flat out left the restroom with no washing at all or did the “splash and dash” where they ran their hands quickly under the faucet with no soap. I’m like a surgeon in there lathered up to my elbows One of the benefits of working from home is no worrying about who’s hand to avoid shaking

 

[GoofGoof]

Goof, I'd encourage you to not let the mask requirement be a detriment. There are a lot of good reasons to not go (price, reduced hours, reduced entertainment), but wearing a mask in the park was really not a big deal at all. (I'm not saying this as some kind of mask evangelist. They suck if you are doing cardio or something that elevates your heartrate, but for just walking the parks it's no issue.)

I’m coming around a little on the issue. I actually think as time has gone on I have gotten pretty comfortable in the mask and I would probably be fine myself. My bigger concern was making sure my kids kept them on. Now that they have to wear them to school maybe less of an issue for them too. It’s becoming more mainstream. I plan to return to WDW this August. If masks are still around (good god I hope not for society in general) then I may consider going and trying it. I would spend only shorter periods of time in the parks anyway with the August heat. If things overall haven‘t changed by then I agree its losing the other stuff that will be more of a detriment. I am hoping at least a partial return to normal by end of next summer.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

It was quite polite, wasn’t it?

Thank you Marni, I thought so also.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

another 83,000 cases reported today. Its Saturday. Weekends are never this high.

 

[DCBaker]

another 83,000 cases reported today. Its Saturday. Weekends are never this high.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Now...someone swore deaths were down yesterday...and that meant they can reopen Disneyland and have MVMCP with dessert party add ons in the swamp ...

Don’t be a downer

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Let’s hope 2 or more vaccines are approved, would make distribution a lot easier according to this.

USA TODAY's experts say securing a COVID-19 vaccine in record time could be easy, but distributing it won't be

Our panel of experts expects at least one COVID-19 vaccine will be approved in the coming months. Then things could really get complicated.

www.google.com

 

[FeelsSoGoodToBeBad]

I play a mobile game in which I can watch ads for certain rewards in-game. I just saw one this evening saying people willing to participate in a COVID vaccine study could receive up to $1220 in compensation. I didn't follow the link, but it was the first time I've seen such an ad anywhere.

 

[GoofGoof]

Let’s hope 2 or more vaccines are approved, would make distribution a lot easier according to this.

USA TODAY's experts say securing a COVID-19 vaccine in record time could be easy, but distributing it won't be

Our panel of experts expects at least one COVID-19 vaccine will be approved in the coming months. Then things could really get complicated.

www.google.com

Distribution will be difficult. I was impressed with the write up that Pfizer had on their progress. They have the freezer farms where they partnered with UPS and DHL to build out as well as the reusable shipping containers ready to go. They are going for a just-in-time delivery process where the vaccine doses are delivered to the end user within several days of production. The 2 dose thing becomes really problematic though. They would need to really make sure the coordination is spot on. Moderna has to rely on a third party more but they have a deal in place too. JnJ and AstraZenaca also have huge distribution capability. If we get a safe, working vaccine in record time they will figure out a way to get it over the finish line.

Here‘s the Wall Street Journal Article on Pfizer:

Pfizer Sets Up Its ‘Biggest Ever’ Vaccination Distribution Campaign

The drugmaker is preparing to ship over a billion doses of Covid-19 vaccine using frozen boxes, cargo planes and trucks in a mega logistics operation.

www.wsj.com

The scale of the operation is enormous. They will be able to ship almost 8M doses a day when fully up and running meaning there’s a good chance they could get up to 200M doses delivered in a few months. That’s 60% of the US population and doesn‘t include the first wave of doses delivered as soon as they get approval. Theoretically that means they could potentially get the 2 doses of the vaccine out to most people that want it in a mater of 2-3 months. Lots would have to go well, but certainly a reason to be optimistic.

 

[GoofGoof]

I play a mobile game in which I can watch ads for certain rewards in-game. I just saw one this evening saying people willing to participate in a COVID vaccine study could receive up to $1220 in compensation. I didn't follow the link, but it was the first time I've seen such an ad anywhere.

I think it’s typically about $50 per visit during the trial and they do make you return frequently to be checked so it may be over $1,000 by the end.