Politics Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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Flugell

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Feel the need to explain, at least the reason, if not the accuracy of the removal of 5,000 deaths from the U.K. total of deaths from Coronavirus.

When the virus first hit numbers of deaths from care homes, or many outside hospitals were not included in the figures even though they had died as a result of the Coronavirus. The reason why this happened is because death certificates outside hospitals are the responsibility of the patients own doctor. If there is doubt about the cause of death then they have to report to the coroner for a final decision on what should go on the death certificate. This can mean a delay of between about 3-10 days and the government were reporting daily deaths in hospitals. There was a lot of justifiable criticism about leaving out these numbers, hence a big dump of numbers to attempt to increase accuracy and transparency. As a result of this the Government included people who had been tested positive and died over a month later at a place other than a hospital. Hence the removal of the 5,000 deaths.

It maybe that they have removed too many or not enough and as more information becomes available they will alter again but I don’t believe that the mistake has been made deliberately or to massage figures but because it is a completely new situation everywhere in the world and it seems that every country, state or county is having similar difficulties from what I’ve read on this forum.

Whether through coronavirus or not the death totals are tragic.
 

Heppenheimer

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Vermont is going to be a huge challenge for ski season. Lots of rental properties and resorts that will be upset with the lost revenues unless things improve by then. I thought Maine was just LL Bean and Poland Springs ;););) It’s actually on my bucket list of places to go...but they won’t have me right now. It’s the only East Coast state I haven’t spent any time in.
As a Vermonter, I've almost resigned myself to the fact that I may need to find another hobby this coming winter. I might need to take up cross-country skiing.
 

Chi84

Premium Member
I agree its true everywhere. I put a lot of that blame on not following the guidelines the CDC put out for states to reopen their economy. Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it that states were supposed to have 2 to 3 weeks of decline in cases between phases? Obviously many states ignored that and now look at where we are
Illinois was the second state to issue a shelter in place order, masks became mandatory in businesses and public places on May 1, and the state opened slowly with 28 days between phases instead of 14. Outdoor dining was allowed in June and indoor with severe restrictions in July. Hair salons were not open until the very end of June. The positivity rate was down to 2.6 at one point but has been going up steadily and is now 4.1. Bars were allowed to open in July but were almost immediately subjected to tighter restrictions.

I’m not sure what else can reasonably be done at this point. I’m sure individuals are behaving the way people will - some are taking it more seriously than others. But the positivity rate is going up despite what I believe is the state’s best efforts.
 

Andrew C

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Illinois was the second state to issue a shelter in place order, masks became mandatory in businesses and public places on May 1, and the state opened slowly with 28 days between phases instead of 14. Outdoor dining was allowed in June and indoor with severe restrictions in July. Hair salons were not open until the very end of June. The positivity rate was down to 2.6 at one point but has been going up steadily and is now 4.1. Bars were allowed to open in July but were almost immediately subjected to tighter restrictions.

I’m not sure what else can reasonably be done at this point. I’m sure individuals are behaving the way people will - some are taking it more seriously than others. But the positivity rate is going up despite what I believe is the state’s best efforts.
Here is the “fun” curve for the state, 2 week average trend. Two lift hills.

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GoofGoof

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New Hampshire is a good choice as well, and currently only has a “suggested” quarantine for out of staters.
I wanna go camping this October in Maine. Never been to Maine and I can’t get enough of the fall colors
I was looking for a lake house to replace my Disney trip this month. I actually found several good options in Maine and was almost ready to pull the trigger but when researching the Covid rules further you either need to have a recent negative Covid test (72 hours or less) or quarantine for 14 days in Maine on arrival or be from CT, NY, NJ, NH or VT which are exempt. I thought about doing the Covid tests for the family and still going but we can’t even guarantee a test comes back within 72 hours anymore which is pathetic. I decided to add it to my post Covid list of places to go. I did see NH was more lenient on travelers when doing my research.
 

Andrew C

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I was looking for a lake house to replace my Disney trip this month. I actually found several good options in Maine and was almost ready to pull the trigger but when researching the Covid rules further you either need to have a recent negative Covid test (72 hours or less) or quarantine for 14 days in Maine on arrival or be from CT, NY, NJ, NH or VT which are exempt. I thought about doing the Covid tests for the family and still going but we can’t even guarantee a test comes back within 72 hours anymore which is pathetic. I decided to add it to my post Covid list of places to go. I did see NH was more lenient on travelers when doing my research.
Does a same day test not count?
 

Touchdown

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We have a cabin in NH on Lake Winnipesaukee, I’m biased but if you want a lake vacation, getting a cabin up in the NH Lakes Region is the way to go, and Lake Winnie is the biggest and best lake there.
 
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ImperfectPixie

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I was looking for a lake house to replace my Disney trip this month. I actually found several good options in Maine and was almost ready to pull the trigger but when researching the Covid rules further you either need to have a recent negative Covid test (72 hours or less) or quarantine for 14 days in Maine on arrival or be from CT, NY, NJ, NH or VT which are exempt. I thought about doing the Covid tests for the family and still going but we can’t even guarantee a test comes back within 72 hours anymore which is pathetic. I decided to add it to my post Covid list of places to go. I did see NH was more lenient on travelers when doing my research.
New Hampshire is more lenient on a lot of things even without a pandemic...it's the Live Free or Die state. ;)
 

Jrb1979

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Illinois was the second state to issue a shelter in place order, masks became mandatory in businesses and public places on May 1, and the state opened slowly with 28 days between phases instead of 14. Outdoor dining was allowed in June and indoor with severe restrictions in July. Hair salons were not open until the very end of June. The positivity rate was down to 2.6 at one point but has been going up steadily and is now 4.1. Bars were allowed to open in July but were almost immediately subjected to tighter restrictions.

I’m not sure what else can reasonably be done at this point. I’m sure individuals are behaving the way people will - some are taking it more seriously than others. But the positivity rate is going up despite what I believe is the state’s best efforts.
I wouldn't be surprised to find that a lot for the reason for numbers rising is people traveling between states. I know here where I live all they do is promote and tell people to vacation within their own province. For the most part that's what most people are doing.
 

Chi84

Premium Member
I wouldn't be surprised to find that a lot for the reason for numbers rising is people traveling between states. I know here where I live all they do is promote and tell people to vacation within their own province. For the most part that's what most people are doing.
Well I know Chicago is going over and above to discourage travel from certain states - there are 14-day self quarantine orders but clearly they can't be enforced in any meaningful way.

Political boundaries don't work so well with a virus. It's too easy to go to Wisconsin or Indiana to avoid restrictions in Illinois.
 

Jrb1979

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Well I know Chicago is going over and above to discourage travel from certain states - there are 14-day self quarantine orders but clearly they can't be enforced in any meaningful way.

Political boundaries don't work so well with a virus. It's too easy to go to Wisconsin or Indiana to avoid restrictions in Illinois.
When I hear things like that my fear this will never get better for many of you. ☹️
 

SamusAranX

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I was looking for a lake house to replace my Disney trip this month. I actually found several good options in Maine and was almost ready to pull the trigger but when researching the Covid rules further you either need to have a recent negative Covid test (72 hours or less) or quarantine for 14 days in Maine on arrival or be from CT, NY, NJ, NH or VT which are exempt. I thought about doing the Covid tests for the family and still going but we can’t even guarantee a test comes back within 72 hours anymore which is pathetic. I decided to add it to my post Covid list of places to go. I did see NH was more lenient on travelers when doing my research.

maybe by end of August, they’ll be lifted for Florida. Otherwise it’s NH for me. If I don’t take a vacay soon I’m gonna lose my sanity and camping away from civilization is safe to me
 

Andrew C

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maybe by end of August, they’ll be lifted for Florida. Otherwise it’s NH for me. If I don’t take a vacay soon I’m gonna lose my sanity and camping away from civilization is safe to me
We bought an RV in February. Right before it all came crashing down. Great timing. Sad, but great timing. Once state parks reopened here in May, that is pretty much all we have been doing to get away.
 
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