Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Furiated]

People can claim they want more or better data but what they really want is someone to justify that what they want to do is OK. Not sure why the need for justification. If you want to do things just do them.

Been following this thread for a while, and there's someone that posts in this thread that comes off as someone that has an upcoming trip planned and really REALLY wants to justify to themselves that they are OK to go and everything is safe. They do things like make the silly comparisons of WDW to trips to the grocery store or the park, things like that. Every time I see them do this, I think basically what you just said. Stop doing the mental gymnastics and if you want to go just go!

It's like having something that's a guilty pleasure, and trying to convince other people that's actually good. Just acknowledge that it's bad but you like it anyway.

And for full disclosure, I also have an upcoming Fall trip scheduled. But I'm not trying to convince myself that I should go. I'm trying to take everything in and then make the call on whether to go through with the trip or not. Thankfully right now everything can be canceled without penalty, and I'll be able to self-quarantine for 14 days when I get home.

 

[chrisvee]

 

[Kevin_W]

Can we take the middle ground and say Covid is no big deal to a group of people? Obviously, based on some of the behavior we have seen. I’m not sure its close to the majority. Generally speaking it’s young people and a smaller group obsessed with politics. I think the vast majority of people are deeply concerned by Covid, deeply concerned that the economy is in the toilet and deeply concerned that we are heading for another round of stay at home orders.

I think that's about as good of a summary as you can get.

 

[Casper Gutman]

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In ten years, a lot of folks are going to lie about how they behaved and what they believed in 2020. I fear this will be especially true as we learn more about the long term effects of the disease and the source of a lot of outbreaks.

 

[Kevin_W]

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An interesting poll, but it doesn't capture "how have you gone out of the house". For instance, we were in the 81% that didn't visit relatives for 2 months. But at some point, we felt that seeing them outside their house from >10ft away was a reasonable compromise to be made. So we are in the "have visited family" category, but not in the same way we did 6 months ago.

 

[Touchdown]

An interesting poll, but it doesn't capture "how have you gone out of the house". For instance, we were in the 81% that didn't visit relatives for 2 months. But at some point, we felt that seeing them outside their house from >10ft away was a reasonable compromise to be made. So we are in the "have visited family" category, but not in the same way we did 6 months ago.

The amount of people eating in resturants is downright frightening though.

 

[Casper Gutman]

So a lot of the outbreaks that are forcing lockdowns in the northeast are being traced to Myrtle Beach and Florida in a general sense. When (not, I suspect, if) a major outbreak gets traced back to WDW, how do they respond?

 

[oceanbreeze77]

So a lot of the outbreaks that are forcing lockdowns in the northeast are being traced to Myrtle Beach and Florida in a general sense. When (not, I suspect, if) a major outbreak gets traced back to WDW, how do they respond?

 

[GoofGoof]

So a lot of the outbreaks that are forcing lockdowns in the northeast are being traced to Myrtle Beach and Florida in a general sense. When (not, I suspect, if) a major outbreak gets traced back to WDW, how do they respond?

They probably won’t. There’s never going to be a way to ”prove” people got sick at WDW. If that type of story comes out and Disney responds defensively it makes it a bigger story. Their best hope for that type of story to blow over is to ignore it, decline to comment and wait for the next story that takes its place.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

They probably won’t. There’s never going to be a way to ”prove” people got sick at WDW. If that type of story comes out and Disney responds defensively it makes it a bigger story. Their best hope for that type of story to blow over is to ignore it, decline to comment and wait for the next story that takes its place.

A measles outbreak was traced back to Disneyland a couple of years ago. That story blew over because the outbreak did not receive national coverage. It's possible the same could happen soon, but this time I doubt it would be ignored.

An outbreak at WDW would be reported both in and outside of the USA. It would be a major blow to Disney's ego, much like all the reporting over WDW reopening on the same day Florida had a record number of cases.

 

[GoofGoof]

A measles outbreak was traced back to Disneyland a couple of years ago. That story blew over because the outbreak did not receive national coverage. It's possible the same could happen soon, but this time I doubt it would be ignored.

An outbreak at WDW would be reported both in and outside of the USA. It would be a major blow to Disney's ego, much like all the reporting over WDW reopening on the same day Florida had a record number of cases.

I‘m not saying it wouldn’t be bad PR. The specific question was how would Disney respond. IMHO a vigorous defense only makes them look worse. They may use back channels to attempt to kill the story but I wouldn’t expect a public defense. Again, this is all speculative based on a story actually breaking.

 

[TrojanUSC]

They probably won’t. There’s never going to be a way to ”prove” people got sick at WDW. If that type of story comes out and Disney responds defensively it makes it a bigger story. Their best hope for that type of story to blow over is to ignore it, decline to comment and wait for the next story that takes its place.

The big liability for Disney is if a bunch of guest-facing cast members in one area get sick. That is hard to avoid the narrative that the cast is spreading amongst themselves, so they must be spreading amongst guests, too.

FWIW, I've heard anecdotal reports from folks working down there this is already starting to happen.

 

[chrisvee]

An interesting poll, but it doesn't capture "how have you gone out of the house". For instance, we were in the 81% that didn't visit relatives for 2 months. But at some point, we felt that seeing them outside their house from >10ft away was a reasonable compromise to be made. So we are in the "have visited family" category, but not in the same way we did 6 months ago.

these are a subset of questions asked in a survey about social distancing that Ipsos has been conducting since March

they get at the other behaviors (masks, 6 feet distance) with other questions

so of course it’s possible to see how those correlate

you could certainly visit the site and download the data if interested; I won‘t link since there are questions about government response included

 

[oceanbreeze77]

A measles outbreak was traced back to Disneyland a couple of years ago. That story blew over because the outbreak did not receive national coverage. It's possible the same could happen soon, but this time I doubt it would be ignored.

An outbreak at WDW would be reported both in and outside of the USA. It would be a major blow to Disney's ego, much like all the reporting over WDW reopening on the same day Florida had a record number of cases.

it did get national coverage. And then a year later when people were getting legionnaires from the A/C in NOS it made national news too. SO I can't imagine a covid outbreak will sneak past media 'exposure.'

 

[Hawg G]

Yesterday our Governor had to issue orders to retrench bc he saw models showing cases per day higher than April in our future. After battling to a 7 day average of under 400 in June, we’re now 2x. He asked all businesses that can to re-implement telework. My company never went back so we’re good. I spoke with a friend in another part of the state. She’s been back for a few weeks. I asked, so are you WFH again starting tomorrow? Nope, the owner of the company is seeking opinions. About a mandate.

BTW Governor says it’s people not wearing masks and folks returning from southern state vacations creating the increase.

Yeah, and the Governor of Pennsylvania has ZERO EVIDENCE of those statements.

 

[chrisvee]

Yeah, and the Governor of Pennsylvania has ZERO EVIDENCE of those statements.

and you know that how?

 

[Hawg G]

and you know that how?

He didn’t share evidence that would take a ton of heat off of him personally.

 

[Casper Gutman]

He didn’t share evidence that would take a ton of heat off of him personally.

The people giving him “heat” will be totally unwilling to accept evidence. They know what they want to believe, and that is all that matters - it has nothing to do with facts.

 

[October82]

A quick search of one of the main medical research databases for recent studies on the impacts of masks yields around 400 independent studies in scientific journals. Among the topics of those papers include experimental measurements of the reduction in aerosolization of particles, empirical studies of mask efficacy on the spread of coronavirus in Europe, and quantitative studies of the combined impact on spikes in transmission of mask wearing and stay at home orders in the United States.

I realize that not everyone is familiar with how scientific research is conducted and published, but it took me twice as long to write this comment then it took to do the literature search.

 

[Yodascousin]

Bit of a scandal from the uk this morning natural deaths are being counted as covid because of people testing positive months ago and recovered and then subsequently died. Our health minister wants an urgent review. On more positive news a pre print from oxford suggests the uk has already reached herd immunity due to T cell memory