oceanbreeze77
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that's why percentages and overall population are important, which many people ignore.
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October82
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Part of science is also to accept the conclusions that the evidence points to, regardless of how we feel about it. The task of making sure the data is reliable and using that data to draw conclusions is the task of experts in those fields. When they raise questions or concerns, you should take that seriously. When someone on the internet raises "questions", you probably shouldn't, for the simple reason that it's unlikely they know what they're talking about.
Disstevefan1
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Agreed, we must try to put our faith and trust in the experts and hope they are doing things right.
Jrb1979
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Funny how that works cause that's exactly what the government did here where I live and our cases have been below 150 a day for a few weeks.
Andrew C
You know what's funny?
Nice!
That's because FL is still at the beginning of the exponential curve that hit NY and Italy and almost nothing is being done to flatten that new curve which is much more exponential-ish than the first peak.
So, their "per capita" number is low compared to what NY has gone through. But just look where the curve is going. FL seems hellbent to make up for lost time and catch up to NY's "per population.'
Whatever it is, indoor dining should be closed.
Andrew C
You know what's funny?
I googled it. Looks to be 50% capacity still. They were preparing to increase last month but put it on hold.
Aries1975
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Thank you for posting these numbers everyday. Someday, I hope we get return to a simpler time when all of the numbers you post are "fun" ones like stats for Rise of the Resistance.
Disstevefan1
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Thats super! While we are talking numbers,
What's typically is the total tests taken per day to result in 150 positives a day?
What is your percent positive per day?
Just asking.
Jrb1979
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They have been doing about 30000 tests a day. Last week our percent positive was 1% for the week. Things have been opening here and there hasn't been the spike that everyone keeps saying will happen.
Indoor dining hasn't opened yet and out theme parks aren't opening this year.
Animaniac93-98
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Indoor dining starts today in most of the province (at reduced capacity).
Wouldn't be surprised if Cedar Fair sues the Ont government like they did in Ohio to get Wonderland open.
Jrb1979
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It will be interesting if there is a spike from indoor dining opening.
I doubt they will sue to get Wonderland open. The government said that parks can submit a plan for opening. We will see but I doubt it opens this summer. If they don't get approved by the end of the month I can't see them opening.
GoofGoof
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NY has a very low percent positive now too and low new cases per day. indoor dining is also not open there and no bars. Seems to be a pretty obvious pattern.
IMHO bars are the biggest problem but in most places anymore a large number of bars qualify as restaurants. The combination of smoking being banned in most indoor settings (which makes it more pleasant to eat) and the general trend away from chain dining has resulted in a large number of establishments that were once traditional bars to focus more and more on a food menu. The gastro pub fad is very real. During this time it’s hard to craft a rule that also shuts those types of places down. I think prolonged exposure to strangers without a mask is a problem. If I go indoors to eat I may be in there for 45 mins or an hour. If I go to the same place on a Friday night and meet up with friends for drinks I may be there for 4 or 5 hours.
I don‘t know what the answer is, but I think some basic steps need to be implemented everywhere for restaurants.
- strict capacity limits for indoor dining
- 6 foot distancing between tables
- no bar seating
- no standing room
- all employees wear masks all the time
- customers wear masks until they are seated at their table
- if a customer gets up to use the restroom or step outside for a smoke or a phone call they put the mask on while indoor
- alcohol can only be purchased if it’s on the same ticket as a meal...no sitting at the table and just ordering drinks
- any sort of entertainment is allowed only if there’s no standing area and customers stay seated (no dance floors or crowd in front of a stage...do they do mosh pits anymore or is that just aging me).
Animaniac93-98
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It will, but of course we all hope it doesn't.
My understanding on Wonderland is this; earlier this year the government said yes, amusement parks could reopen in stage 3. When that happened Wonderland submitted its plan, was allegedly approved, and began to set up the park for reopening with policies similar to Disney and Universal (temp checks, masks, distancing etc). Last week the government made public the fact they changed their mind and Wonderland and other parks like Marineland are, unexpectedly, not happy. As you say they can submit a new plan, but if a previous plan was already approved and this decision was made unilaterally by the government, I could see them filing suit on those grounds.
This whole conversation is independent on whether or not they should open, but we'll see either way. Wonderland is Cedar Fair's #2 park after Knott's and the #1 seasonal amusement park in NA based on attendance (as TEA reconfirmed yesterday). After the work they've already put into it these past few months, I'm sure they'll want it open as soon as York Region gets the green light for stage 3.
Animaniac93-98
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People are also likely to spend more time in a bar than a restaurant, and we know the longer you spend indoors the greater the risk of catching this. People hang out at bars to chat, watch a game etc whereas people eating lunch or dinner at a venue focused on food tend to leave after an hourish.
GoofGoof
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I agree, and it’s hard to just close bars where people would hang for hours and let restaurants stay open for meals and still serve alcohol (which is a big part of their profits). Bars will use the restaurant loophole to stay open...see FL right now. I don‘t know what’s a good answer for it. Maybe a time limit on tables or 2 drink maximum. It’s hard to balance the profitability of the business with attempting to reduce spread.
chrisvee
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Well, states have tried the ‘no alcohol unless you order a meal’ and limitations to indoor occupancy.
PA has both right now with 25% occupancy as of Thu. I don’t see how a restaurant can stay open with that limitation. And ordering apps with drinks means you could sit there indefinitely.
Should there just be time limitations like Oga’s Cantina? Or is it a ventilation issue?
GoofGoof
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PA has also closed bar seating and has no standing room. I think they are doing pretty well with trying to make rules that will help, but like you said bar owners are not happy. It’s difficult to make a profit with 25% capacity and no heavy drinking.
If we look at this at a macro economic level if keeping bars and indoor dining closed or severely limited reduces the overall cases to a level that makes it safe to move forward with other businesses and schools and even theme parks opening then it may be that the industry takes the hit for the greater good. The government needs to step in and bail them out. That’s a better alternative to me than moving back to stay at home orders and virtual schooling for next school year.
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