Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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GoofGoof

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I think a way to get contact tracing going would be to have private businesses (IE disney) make it so that customers have to agree to tracing in order to use the business.
Well that will never happen.

The fact of the matter is some people don’t want to admit they were wrong. So instead of cooperating with the department of health and telling them they were at a party with 100+ people the person just refused to cooperate. The mentality kicks in that admitting you were at a party which probably shouldn’t have been happening is admitting you were wrong. If someone who spent weeks railing on that theme parks should be open goes to WDW and gets sick they may be a lot less likely to admit where they went because of the stance they took. People don’t like to admit they were wrong.
 

xdan0920

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If someone who spent weeks railing on that theme parks should be open goes to WDW and gets sick they may be a lot less likely to admit where they went because of the stance they took. People don’t like to admit they were wrong.


What about someone who spends weeks railing that theme parks should be closed who then goes to WDW on opening day? Also weird.
 

oceanbreeze77

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Thanks or sharing, Ocean. I figured after Moderna had a big pres release this week that we'd be seeing something seen or remind us about the Oxford vaccine. (We may all be in this together, but there is still a competitive spirit I'm sure.)
it will be interesting to see how these two face off head to head. In both effectiveness AND dare I say, public trust.
 

Chip Chipperson

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Then you have things like this:

Come on people, we all need to do better. Don’t do the deed, and if you do it, own up to it and help ensure you don’t spread this to others. Selfish, pig headed actions like this are why we can’t contain outbreaks.

That's infuriating, especially the coach who refused to cooperate. How many people at that party who may have been infected then went about their daily lives without knowing they had contact with someone who tested positive? It will be very fortunate if his actions didn't lead to dozens of cases that trace back to him simply because he wouldn't provide names of people he interacted with so they could get tested, self-isolate will awaiting their results, and avoid spreading the virus to even more people. The way the article is written, it isn't clear if he was already showing symptoms while he was coaching and/or when he attended the party. If he was, then that's even worse. Any accurate description of him would be caught by the forum's censors for sure.
 

Casper Gutman

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I was hoping the daily or weekly numbers would have been a way to track progress, or lack of progress.

If a city reported 0 cases that day or week, WHAT WOULD YOUR NEXT QUESTION? How may tests were taken for that time period. A small number of tests that return 0 positive means nothing.

As for the reporting, there have been multiple reports of testing centers having back logs, mis reporting numbers and correcting them only after being called on it, testing centers reporting multiple days results as a single day etc.

The post I replied to said something like positives went from 16 to 30 in a week. How many tests were taken? Were there twice as many taken as the week before? If yes, the curve is flat. Was there three times more tests taken that week? Then cases are going down. We need to know the total tests taken for the numbers to mean anything.
If the case number went from 16 to 30, the case trend is not flat, regardless of the number of tests. What is unclear is percentage positive.

A lot of folks are throwing out noise to try and make the depth of the crisis less clear then it is. The reclosing thread has an excellent post from OrlandoRising digging into the arguments that keeps getting brought up to muddy the waters and provide cover for people who don't want to act responsibly.

We know what's happening.
 

Casper Gutman

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Then you have things like this:

Come on people, we all need to do better. Don’t do the deed, and if you do it, own up to it and help ensure you don’t spread this to others. Selfish, pig headed actions like this are why we can’t contain outbreaks.
The rage against contact tracing is darkly hilarious: "No way am I going to let some faceless government agency track my movements! This is an issue of freedom! Of invasion of privacy! Even if it saves lives we can't let some vast bureaucracy collect that kind of information. And don't tell me not to go to Disney World. I'm gonna go, and I'm gonna put on a Magic Band, and I'm gonna make sure I always have my cell phone with me so I can record every happy memory."
 

Kevin_W

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it will be interesting to see how these two face off head to head. In both effectiveness AND dare I say, public trust.

Agreed. I think side effects will be a big "selling point" as well. As you can read in this thread, there are people who won't take a flu shot because they swear that it makes you sick (in spite of the scientific evidence that this is false). The Moderna vaccine looks like it does have side effects, even if not severe. That's going to make it a hard sell for some.
 

DCBaker

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“With the number of coronavirus cases continuing to grow and current CDC guidance indicating face coverings can help slow the spread of COVID-19, we believe requiring face coverings in our stores is another way we can do our part to help protect our communities,” said Publix Director of Communications Maria Brous."

The policy goes into effect on July 21.

 

Disstevefan1

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If the case number went from 16 to 30, the case trend is not flat, regardless of the number of tests. What is unclear is percentage positive.

A lot of folks are throwing out noise to try and make the depth of the crisis less clear then it is. The reclosing thread has an excellent post from OrlandoRising digging into the arguments that keeps getting brought up to muddy the waters and provide cover for people who don't want to act responsibly.

We know what's happening.

I was speaking of percentage. The number of cases is obviously important but the percentage is also important especially when you see a doubling of cases in a week. The post I replied to spoke about a doubling of cases in a week, we need to know the total number of tests to get the whole picture.

I want to feel the data is good, but when you read stuff like this you begin to wonder. Local governments are trying to make decisions based on the data, the data should be accurate.
 

Casper Gutman

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“With the number of coronavirus cases continuing to grow and current CDC guidance indicating face coverings can help slow the spread of COVID-19, we believe requiring face coverings in our stores is another way we can do our part to help protect our communities,” said Publix Director of Communications Maria Brous."

The policy goes into effect on July 21.

How on this green Earth are these measures going into effect in LATE JULY? And we wonder why people aren't taking mask-wearing seriously.

When this is all over, we have to have an honest accounting of what went wrong. We can't let people with power - even if that power is just running a super market chain (or a theme park) - pretend that they didn't have enough information, or couldn't reasonably be expected to know what was going to happening. This is willful, motivated ignorance and bad faith that has hurt people. It must be inexcusable.
 
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oceanbreeze77

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glad to see the corporations finally taking matters into their own hands.

The people in charge have power, but the power of money is greater.
 

lazyboy97o

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The question will be how much these companies bother to enforce the policies. Many haven’t been enforcing their own capacity and distancing limits or government mandates.
 

GoofGoof

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What about someone who spends weeks railing that theme parks should be closed who then goes to WDW on opening day? Also weird.
Not sure what that means. The closest I’ve come to WDW anytime recently is making Dole Whip at home (not as good as the real thing) ;). Sadly my August trip is cancelled now too. Gonna try again next summer :)
 
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