Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[GoofGoof]

Yes , I know, it was just an example of how you can look at numbers both ways, I don't put much concern on new case count either way

For trend purposes you really need to look at weekly trends not daily. There’s discrepancies in testing and reporting that cause volatility in the daily numbers that gets smoothed out in the weekly numbers. To really get a longer term view you even have to look at multiple week‘s changes. That’s why it’s still too early to panic on the current rise. In a month this could all be just a blip or it could be a meaningful trend. Right now the FL dashboard is still a week behind on the testing tab, but the trend after the first 2 weeks of June isn’t great. Again, no need to panic, but something to watch.

 

[legwand77]

For trend purposes you really need to look at weekly trends not daily. There’s discrepancies in testing and reporting that cause volatility in the daily numbers that gets smoothed out in the weekly numbers. To really get a longer term view you even have to look at multiple week‘s changes. That’s why it’s still too early to panic on the current rise. In a month this could all be just a blip or it could be a meaningful trend. Right now the FL dashboard is still a week behind on the testing tab, but the trend after the first 2 weeks of June isn’t great. Again, no need to panic, but something to watch.

Yes totally agree, trends are the key, to add for me new cases while informative are not the main index to look at.

 

[DisneyCane]

Actually there's quite a discrepancy right now and people are waiting for clarification. The news is reporting that there was a reported 3500 cases, but all of the official dashboards show 4700. So if it is 4700, that's quite an increase.

I don't know where the news or worldometers got their number but the PDF matches the dashboard so pretty sure the higher number is correct.

 

[Rider]

First Florida teen dies from coronavirus, state health department says

A 17-year-old boy from Pasco County was the first reported fatality of a minor from coronavirus in the state of Florida, according to the state health department. The teenager’s death was amo…

www.orlandosentinel.com

 

[MisterPenguin]

Yes , I know, it was just an example of how you can look at numbers both ways, I don't put much concern on new case count either way

So you know that, but you posted it anyway without context.

That's the very definition of trolling.

And you're right not to put much concern on a one day figure. But you've also obstinately refuse to acknowledge the trend.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Plus more ongoing testing at work is taking place, say one employee gets tested then with tracing all people they come in contact with get tested. Like what happened at UCF. Statistically you will catch more asymptomatic people and it continues. Add that in with the regular testing and outbreaks within multi generational families that live together (those are the ones to watch) and you get more positives.

I will be submitting this theory for preprint shortly /s

Look at the chart below. The blue arrows show the trends in positivity. Now, if more testing is the cause of higher positivity, then the blue arrows should always be pointing in the same direction and with the same slope as the red arrows.

And it doesn't.

Another case...

It's not "only seemingly" getting worse because there's more testing. That is false. Those who say it, knowing it's false, are lying.

 

[kpilcher]

the numbers in the opposite direction of what you are alluding to. If companies like Disney started requiring all employees regardless of exposure/symptoms to ge

Great info, with the 27 more cases, how many were actual Covid cases or just normal/regular hospitalizations.

The hospitalizations number in the Covid reports refer to Covid-related hospitalizations. The exception to that is when they talk about total % of beds (especially ICU beds) still available. That, understandably takes into account other people in the hospital.

 

[disneygeek90]

Good news is Florida had a near 15% drop in new cases today

According to who? The FL dashboard showed another record of 4600.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

Look at the chart below. The red arrows show the trends in positivity. Now, if more testing is the cause of higher positivity, then the blue arrows should always be pointing in the same direction and wtih the same slope as the red arrows.

And it doesn't.

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Another case...

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It's not only seemingly getting worse because there's more testing. That is false. Those who say it, knowing it's false, are lying.

we can only explain the correlation between testing and positivity rate so many times...

 

[MisterPenguin]

Yes. But so far the survival rates for all but the most vulnerable are good. Most have no symptoms I think. Still waiting for clear unbiased numbers.

We have them. They've been posted in this thread all along. But, you're ignoring data that doesn't support your belief and you don't read the thread you're posing in, as typical.

Welcome to real life. Even common chest colds cause "lasting damage". Every illness has an impact. No govt plan can take away such difficulties. And every solution has some sort of unintended consequence.

There is a huge difference between any possible damage a cold causes and COVID. For example, death.

But here you are purposefully trivializing COVID with the most extremely bad analogy I've seen to date.

Denial phase. I'm not downplaying the difficulty we are in. Just hoping people face up to the reality of the situation. Life has to go on. IMO.

Comparing COVID to the cold is, by definition, downplaying it.

Life has to go on? How well has that worked out for 122 thousand in the U.S. and 465 thousand in the world who have died?

That's right, we're coming up on half a million people dead from COVID.

And you want to compare it to a cold.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

We have them. They've been posted in this thread all along. But, you're ignoring data that doesn't support your belief and you don't read the thread you're posing in, as typical.




There is a huge difference between any possible damage a cold causes and COVID. For example, death.

But here you are purposefully trivializing COVID with the most extremely bad analogy I've seen to date.




Comparing COVID to the cold is, by definition, downplaying it.

Life has to go on? How well has that worked out for 122 thousand in the U.S. and 465 thousand in the world who have died?

That's right, we're coming up on half a million people dead from COVID.

And you want to compare it to a cold.

Are we still doing the cold vs Covid thing? It makes its appearance about every few pages. Incredible.

 

[Andrew C]

Didn’t someone say the people of Penn were taking social distancing seriously?

Philly shuts down dumpster pools: 'We are not screwing around'

The city of Philadelphia is asking people to refrain from swimming in dumpsters after a block party rented trash bin and turned it into a makeshift swimming pool over the weekend.

www.usatoday.com

 

[MisterPenguin]

Are we still doing the cold vs Covid thing? It makes its appearance about every few pages. Incredible.

No. That's comparisons to the f word which isn't allowed anymore.

That someone would then take it to a cold comparison.

Well, consider the source.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Didn’t someone say the people of Penn were taking social distancing seriously?

Philly shuts down dumpster pools: 'We are not screwing around'

The city of Philadelphia is asking people to refrain from swimming in dumpsters after a block party rented trash bin and turned it into a makeshift swimming pool over the weekend.

www.usatoday.com

I love the quote..” Every year we try and better ourselves”. Lol They used the back of a pickup truck for the pool last year. Technically I’m not sure if they did better.
We were taking it seriously, up until now I guess.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Didn’t someone say the people of Penn were taking social distancing seriously?

Philly shuts down dumpster pools: 'We are not screwing around'

The city of Philadelphia is asking people to refrain from swimming in dumpsters after a block party rented trash bin and turned it into a makeshift swimming pool over the weekend.

www.usatoday.com

 

[DisneyDebRob]

No. That's comparisons to the f word which isn't allowed anymore.

That someone would then take it to a cold comparison.

Well, consider the source.

I know the f word well. I’m thinking the cold word is special speak for the f word. A way to get it back into conversation.

 

[Andrew C]

I love the quote..” Every year we try and better ourselves”. Lol They used the back of a pickup truck for the pool last year. Technically I’m not sure if they did better.
We were taking it seriously, up until now I guess.

There will always be “some people”
The question is how many.

 

[The Mom]

Great info, with the 27 more cases, how many were actual Covid cases or just normal/regular hospitalizations.

They were Covid cases.

 

[legwand77]

So you know that, but you posted it anyway without context.

That's the very definition of trolling.

And you're right not to put much concern on a one day figure. But you've also obstinately refuse to acknowledge the trend.

relax, trolling? really?, and I have always acknowledged the trend is going up up, smh.

 

[legwand77]

They were Covid cases.

Thank you, good to know haven't seen that information broken down to that degree. I agree close eye needs to be kept on that.