Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[legwand77]

With due respect, transient casual contact is different than a birthday party or hours long bar events. People inside for long periods together is not what I'm referring to. Most of this debate circles around whether Disney should open and I think it should because it's not close contact and they are using precautions that none of your examples were taking. I don't shopping or even dining at a restaurant is considered to be close contact. For example.

Yes, the general consensus is family or group gatherings over hours, where no social distancing and other concerns take place (we all know each other) has been the highest vector or transmissions. Yes there are outliers (which i am sure others will post in the replies ) but that is where the transmission appears to be occurring.

 

[disneygeek90]

Figured I'd throw this in. I just stumbled upon this documentary regarding the 1918 Flu epidemic. While it looks like this was originally filmed back in the late 90's the similarities to our current situation is fascinating. One day we'll likely see a similar production for COVID-19.

American Experience | Influenza 1918 | Season 10 | Episode 5 | PBS

The worst epidemic in American history killed over 600,000 Americans during World War I.

www.pbs.org

 

[Jrb1979]

Denial phase. I'm not downplaying the difficulty we are in. Just hoping people face up to the reality of the situation. Life has to go on. IMO.

IMO that's exactly what's going on. Things are opening and we won't be going into lockdown again. IMO when cases are rising like they are in Florida is to make masks mandatory and maybe pull back some rules. If restaurants have to drop capacity or just patio only then so be it. I see no issue with that.

 

[jt04]

This variable you are missing is how many covid cases are out there, we don't know that.

There is another variable. How many people will die due to being forced to delay so-called "elective procedures" like cancer treatments?

If only one thing good comes out of this I would hope it will be that people stop looking at every situation through a straw so to speak. Everything is so narrowly viewed and there is so little perspective or priority given to the bigger picture.

 

[kpilcher]

Yes totally agree, trends are the key, to add for me new cases while informative are not the main index to look at.

Here's this week's trend "(Florida’s) seven-day case average of 2,892 is also a record, up 88 percent from the past week’s average of 1,542. Saturday was the 13th straight day that the state hit a new average high." --Washington Post's Coronavirus page supplied the verbage. My station's data guru is back tomorrow. I'll have him verify.

 

[jt04]

Figured I'd throw this in. I just stumbled upon this documentary regarding the 1918 Flu epidemic. While it looks like this was originally filmed back in the late 90's the similarities to our current situation is fascinating. One day we'll likely see a similar production for COVID-19.

American Experience | Influenza 1918 | Season 10 | Episode 5 | PBS

The worst epidemic in American history killed over 600,000 Americans during World War I.

www.pbs.org

There has not been any thought lately that this situation will be as dire. If there was they wouldn't have lifted so many restrictions or taken the emergency hospitals away.

 

[jt04]

Nobody is being forced to delay cancer treatments. Just stop.

Survey: 79% of cancer patients report delay in care due to coronavirus | ABC6

A nationwide survey of around 1,200 cancer patients currently in active treatment shows that more than three-quarters have reported delays in care because of the coronavirus. It is the second survey of its kind from the American Cancer Society’s Cancer Action Network since the start of the...

www.abc6.com

 

[disneygeek90]

There has not been any thought lately that this situation will be as dire. If there was they wouldn't have lifted so many restrictions or taken the emergency hospitals away.

Didn’t say that at all it’s just an interesting watch.

 

[jt04]

Didn’t say that at all it’s just an interesting watch.

I was speaking rhetorically. Trying to add to what you said.

 

[mickeymiss]

I would be shocked if Disney closed again. Absolutely stunned. There is no evidence to suggest that businesses that open with safety stipulations have to close. Look around. Covid took a backseat to protests in a finger snap. It doesn't matter if that was a good or bad choice, it's a protected right and it's still happening. Disney is 50x safer than that. Disney wants to open with temperature checks, masks, 6 feet distancing, and dramatically reduced capacity. Covid is not leaving us. We don't have a vaccine or cure. We can't keep locking down the country.

 

[Andrew C]

I would be shocked if Disney closed again. Absolutely stunned. There is no evidence to suggest that businesses that open with safety stipulations have to close. Look around. Covid took a backseat to protests in a finger snap. It doesn't matter if that was a good or bad choice, it's a protected right and it's still happening. Disney is 50x safer than that. Disney wants to open with temperature checks, masks, 6 feet distancing, and dramtically reduced capacity. Covid is not leaving us. We don't have a vaccine or cure. We can't keep lockig down the country.

Unless it can be shown that the open theme parks are contributing to spread in any significant manner, or opening WDW will do so, I see them moving forward.

 

[Andrew C]

You said people died because they were forced to delay cancer treatment. Nothing in that article says anyone was forced to do anything. Just stop.

he has a point. We do know cancer screenings have also plummeted. I’m not stating I know what the eventual outcome will be regarding this or his specific comments. Or that this should have changed our calculus. But it should be a concern.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Figured I'd throw this in. I just stumbled upon this documentary regarding the 1918 Flu epidemic. While it looks like this was originally filmed back in the late 90's the similarities to our current situation is fascinating. One day we'll likely see a similar production for COVID-19.

American Experience | Influenza 1918 | Season 10 | Episode 5 | PBS

The worst epidemic in American history killed over 600,000 Americans during World War I.

www.pbs.org

In The History of the Peloponnesian War, Thucydides describes how during the second year of the war (approx. 430 BC) Athens was hit with a plague (not the plague) but after a few months people became bored with it despite the bodies and began acting not just without caution but in ways that would have been unacceptable beforehand. Amazing how little we have changed in 2600 years.

 

[Chi84]

You said people died because they were forced to delay cancer treatment. Nothing in that article says anyone was forced to do anything. Just stop.

I live in a large city and it was widely reported here that cancer treatments were being delayed. Maybe it was their choice not to go to a hospital in a weakened condition during a pandemic, but it’s kind of cold to say there was no harm because they weren’t forced to forgo the treatments.

 

[Andrew C]

He said people were forced to delay treatment and died.

Well, here is a prediction. Maybe a small number statistically but it will definitely be sad if this happens. We already have enough death due to the virus itself. Don’t need more.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/06/18/nations-cancer-chief-warns-delays-cancer-care-are-likely-result-thousands-extra-deaths-coming-years/%3foutputType=amp

 

[kpilcher]

Florida Dept of emergency management was originally reporting a lower number, but has now updated. Some media used their data and were reporting the apparently incorrect 3500. DEM now shows 4,671, 13.59%

DEM site as of now: View attachment 478236

I'm not clear where or why there is a discrepancy between DEM and DOH -- But the current dashboard reflects the DOH press release I received about 2 1/2 hours ago: "Test results for more than 41,000 individuals were reported to DOH as of midnight, on Saturday, June 20. Today, as reported at 11 a.m., there are:

• 3,494 new positive COVID-19 cases (3,469 Florida residents and 25 non-Florida residents)
• 17 Florida resident deaths related to COVID-19

On June 20, 11.89 percent of new cases** tested positive.

There are a total of 97,291 Florida cases"

That's an 1,177 difference, but DEM's total case number matches the dashboard so I don't get it.

Either way -- the number of new cases has to be giving the powers that be at Disney, Universal, SeaWorld and elsewhere some pause to wonder what else they can do. The publicity of an outbreak of cases tied back to a theme park would be devastating PR

 

[SoFloMagic]

I'm not clear where or why there is a discrepancy between DEM and DOH -- But the current dashboard reflects the DOH press release I received about 2 1/2 hours ago: "Test results for more than 41,000 individuals were reported to DOH as of midnight, on Saturday, June 20. Today, as reported at 11 a.m., there are:

• 3,494 new positive COVID-19 cases (3,469 Florida residents and 25 non-Florida residents)
• 17 Florida resident deaths related to COVID-19

On June 20, 11.89 percent of new cases** tested positive.

There are a total of 97,291 Florida cases"

That's an 1,177 difference, but DEM's total case number matches the dashboard so I don't get it.

Either way -- the number of new cases has to be giving the powers that be at Disney, Universal, SeaWorld and elsewhere some pause to wonder what else they can do. The publicity of an outbreak of cases tied back to a theme park would be devastating PR

Both data sets match, but are higher than the press release. Sketchyyyyyyy

 

[LSLS]

As I made clear earlier those numbers can and have been skewed to generate a narrative. Even people who died in car accidents and who tested positive were counted. Nursing homes where completely avoidable deaths took place are counted. Thousands of people die everyday and there are huge numbers of deaths in years before this pandemic.

Finally, I read that 25% of colds previous to this year were from this virus but different strains. So anyone who has had four colds in their life (who hasn't?) probably has had the virus.

Not downplaying this situation especially for the vulnerable. But let's have some perspective. The scientific and medical community is still very split and they are researching as fast as they can. For some reason the legacy media has decided it has all the answers and this is the zombie apocalypse. History may prove, however, that this was the greatest mass hysteria event in human history. It is still unknown.

What seems certain is that unless you have a very weakened immune system or serious conditions, it isn't life threatening.

This isn't the plague or leprosy. Thankfully.

Ok site your source. Everything I have seen states not only is this not correct, the rate is actually understated.

 

[Disney Analyst]

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[legwand77]

The current model on Covid act now is showing if all current restrictions were lifted completely today, hospitals still would not be overloaded. Obviously we don't want to do that at all but shows how much capacity is in place and yes it is a just a model.

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