Construction bids going out for TLM attraction?

[RSoxNo1]

I can understand someone not being blown away with our current iteration of Pirates in WDW. That said, its not because it isn't thrilling. You let them ride the DL version (which did get all new audio) and I think you'll see a different response.

It doesn't require thrill to be an E ticket attraction. If you can look at HM or SSE and not think E ticket then you've got problems.

That's the test I plan on conducting. My friend that was underwhelmed with the Disney World version of Pirates is also going to Disneyland with me in a month and a half. We're eating at the Blue Bayou, and I'm eagerly awaiting his opinion of their version of Pirates of the Caribbean. I'm actually not a fan of the caves in that version, but it does make the ride longer, and the final show scene is substantially better. Couple that with an improved audio system, and my guess is that he enjoys it better.

 

[kcnole]

I assure you that people do not queue up for mansion just because of hype. There's a reason that Disney hates to bring that ride down for refurb. Its because when they do, guest services is literally covered in complaints. To many people its the one ride they come to Disney for. It is simply one of the best rides in all of the Disney parks.

Certainly, one demographic of guests may prefer mission space to mansion, but when you look at the overall guests who come, that Demographic isn't that large.

You have to remember what made Disneyland and Walt Disney World so successful. It was walt's desire that people have a place where they could come with their children and have fun together. WDI has gotten away from that sentiment lately with the focus on either thrill ride or kiddie ride. Either way, you leave someone sitting off to the side not taking part.

The thing that makes Disney so great in my mind were my trips when I was younger with mom and dad on one side and my grandparents on the other and no matter what age we were from ten to 35 to 55 or up, we all had a huge smile on our face because we all had great enjoyment from whatever ride it was.

A disservice is done to the guests when you cater a ride specifically to only one demographic.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Just in case anyone doubts Mermaid's popularity today, it's 2006 DVD sold 4 million copies in October 2006 alone.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097757/news?year=2006

 

[wickedsoccer22]

People (even dumbed down, and I would say people are dumber than ever) still know quality when they experience it.

On my last trip, people behind me sure knew quality when for the first 5 minutes of Kilimanjaro Safaris they were amazed at how real the animals looked. :hammer:

 

[Katherine]

You have to remember what made Disneyland and Walt Disney World so successful. It was walt's desire that people have a place where they could come with their children and have fun together. WDI has gotten away from that sentiment lately with the focus on either thrill ride or kiddie ride. Either way, you leave someone sitting off to the side not taking part.

The thing that makes Disney so great in my mind were my trips when I was younger with mom and dad on one side and my grandparents on the other and no matter what age we were from ten to 35 to 55 or up, we all had a huge smile on our face because we all had great enjoyment from whatever ride it was.

A disservice is done to the guests when you cater a ride specifically to only one demographic.

Thank you for saying that because while I've been reading this thread (in its entirety) and it's been bugging me that this point hasn't been brought up.

My family doesn't do thrills. I rode ToT for the first time my freshman year in high school (I'm 20 now), NOT because I wanted a thrill (honestly I was petrified to go on it), but because everyone had raved about the theming and the beauty of the ride and the detail that had been put into it. That made it worth it to me. Granted, I know I'm not the "norm" for my age because I don't like getting on rides with the fear that I might wet myself, but still I pushed through my fear just because I wanted to ride a really cool ride... not a thrill machine.

Everest is not all it's cracked up to be thrill wise either if that's what you think people need. I rode it twice and I usually scream my head off at big drops (the drop down the front would constitute a big drop for me) the first time I did and by the second time I rode it I wasn't that anxious for it. It does have very nice theming though and it is physically very impressive from a distance and I think it does add to AK.

I'm 20 and I would LOVE LOVE LOVE a Little Mermaid ride, and for reference I was maybe 1 when TLM came out so yeah maybe it wasn't apart of "my generation". I'd love to see an Aladdin ride too actually. I'm actually an aspiring engineer (Coughimagineercough) and since I was in middle school I started coming up with ideas for a LM based ride and so when I heard that someone was building it I was thrilled. While I'm sad they beat me to the punch because I was hoping to be in the WDI league so that I could build it I'm thrilled that this movie is going to make a Dark-ride debut finally. It's been too long. I can't wait.:sohappy:

I went to DL last summer and PotC there is AMAZING. The scenes that are missing from WDW really make it a bit more immersive. But still not thrilling in the truest definition... it's just completely distracting from the world. Yeah I can sit there and get bored by how slow we're moving and how I wish I could text my friend from home and not really just let myself sail away with the pirates but that's just no fun. Call it an overactive imagination, I call it my life and it's a lot of fun sometimes.

I personally enjoyed the Matterhorn ten times more than EE. It's longer and it's just fun. A bit rough but just plain fun. Not intensely thrilling but it makes me giggle when I ride it (weird I know). The same with SM at DL. When anyone gets off it they are smiling ear to ear because it's not scary it's just fun. The wind is fast and the track is smooth and it's so dark that the small bumps catch you off guard and... it's just a fun time.

I don't think thrills are bad, I just don't think that they "make a ride" which I feel is usually the difference between Disney and every other theme park. I think that using technology and pushing innovation is much more important (everyone has a coaster) and make it more than just a coaster or just another dark ride. I've currently been daydreaming in class about a fairy based dark-ride that would use coaster-like technology so that cars can speed up quickly to follow a fairy friend. As long as thrills are kept in the Disney fashion then it's all good.


My last note: TLM is VERY popular just throwing it out there. I KNOW if you made a ride that most of the girls that I know (college aged) would ride it just because everyone loves that movie. The music, the fantasy, and Ariel isn't just another pushed around princess too which is nice. Heck I want to sing with Sebastian and hear that blowfish blow!

Anywho that's just my two cents (maybe only 1.5 cents... it's late and it's nearing finals... :hammer

 

[RSoxNo1]

Who said the quote, "quality is a hell of a business model"?

 

[bgraham34]

Little Mermaid is one of my favorite Disney films. I think the dark ride will be a great and needed addition to Fantasy Land. I personally do not believe Nemo should even be a thought in Fantasy Land. I also believe Pixar should not be a part of Fantasy Land either.

 

[EpcotServo]

Who said the quote, "quality is a hell of a business model"?

Richard M. Nixon, 1972.

 

[RSoxNo1]

Richard M. Nixon, 1972.

And he never made any mistakes... let's stick with that.

 

[goodtimes5286]

I can understand someone not being blown away with our current iteration of Pirates in WDW. That said, its not because it isn't thrilling. You let them ride the DL version (which did get all new audio) and I think you'll see a different response.

It doesn't require thrill to be an E ticket attraction. If you can look at HM or SSE and not think E ticket then you've got problems.

Then I've got problems. Imo a ride needs quality AND thrill to get an Eticket in my booklet. But since there is no defined label for E-ticket since idk 1982ish (pre my birth), everyone's entitled to there own opinion....

HM yes, PoTC and SSE no.

 

[tirian]

Then I've got problems. Imo a ride needs quality AND thrill to get an Eticket in my booklet. But since there is no defined label for E-ticket since idk 1982ish (pre my birth), everyone's entitled to there own opinion....

HM yes, PoTC and SSE no.

It's true that everyone has an opinion, but that doesn't mean there isn't a REAL, objective answer.

The term "E-ticket" is still used in the industry, and generally references attractions with extensive theming, multiple or advanced AAs, thrills (may be physical or psychological), and a "no-expense-spared" appearance (even if it's not actually the case).

By definition, an E-ticket represents some of the park's best offerings, in which case HM, POTC, SSE, the original JII, Horizons, Space Mt, BTMRR, Splash Mt, Test Track, GMR, TOT, RNRC, E:E, and Kilimanjaro Safaris would ALL be considered E tickets—regardless of whether or not you personally think so.

Now can this thread please return to its purpose instead of wasting away in petty fanboy arguments?



Forgive me for being the Voice of Reason.

Move along, nothing to see here...

 

[goodtimes5286]

It's true that everyone has an opinion, but that doesn't mean there isn't a REAL, objective answer.

The term "E-ticket" is still used in the industry, and generally references attractions with extensive theming, multiple or advanced AAs, thrills (may be physical or psychological), and a "no-expense-spared" appearance (even if it's not actually the case).

By definition, an E-ticket represents some of the park's best offerings, in which case HM, POTC, SSE, the original JII, Horizons, Space Mt, BTMRR, Splash Mt, Test Track, GMR, TOT, RNRC, E:E, and Kilimanjaro Safaris would ALL be considered E tickets—regardless of whether or not you personally think so.

Now can this thread please return to its purpose instead of wasting away in petty fanboy arguments?



Forgive me for being the Voice of Reason.

Move along, nothing to see here...

1st notice the IN MY OPINION, now to the facts....

I hate to tell you champ, but EE isn't an E-ticket (according to the industry), posted by an imageneer (who is in the industry and actually uses these terms). ToT was the last TRUE, INDUSTRY E-ticket.

So you might wanna back off on the condecending throttle before you spread too much mis-information, and actually LEARN before you act like you know everything

 

[Lee]

It's a silly argument.
An E-Ticket is anything Disney decides it is, whether the fans or industry agree or not.
Check out an old E-Ticket:

Trains, pack mules, Monorail, the Mark Twain...none would fit a current fan's idea of an E...but they all were.

Skip ahead a few years:

Pirates, Jungle, Tiki Room, Small World...all Es.

Like I said. An E is what Disney says it is. Everything else is someone's personal opinion.

 

[TalkingHead]

1st notice the IN MY OPINION, now to the facts....

I hate to tell you champ, but EE isn't an E-ticket (according to the industry), posted by an imageneer (who is in the industry and actually uses these terms). ToT was the last TRUE, INDUSTRY E-ticket.

So you might wanna back off on the condecending throttle before you spread too much mis-information, and actually LEARN before you act like you know everything

An Imagineer said EE isn't an E-ticket?

Seriously doubt it.

 

[tirian]

ToT was the last TRUE, INDUSTRY E-ticket.

Never heard that from anyone, ever. Have you ever heard of Tokyo DisneySea? You know, Journey to the Center of the Earth and such? But I do agree that the coaster portion of E:E is lackluster.

So you might wanna back off on the condecending throttle before you spread too much mis-information, and actually LEARN before you act like you know everything

*yawn*
I'm tired of watching you argue with everybody, and I'm certainly not going to start arguing with you, so here's a simple response.

I referenced the generally accepted definition, and didn't throw any misinformation around.

"The term "E-ticket" is still used in the industry, and generally references attractions with extensive theming, multiple or advanced AAs, thrills (may be physical or psychological), and a 'no-expense-spared' appearance (even if it's not actually the case)."

^^ That's what I said. That's how the industry and public perceive it.

And to be honest, none of this matters, because Lee's answer is the best one for Disney attractions: an E-ticket is whatever they say it is.

 

[tirian]

It's a silly argument.
An E-Ticket is anything Disney decides it is, whether the fans or industry agree or not.
Check out an old E-Ticket:

Trains, pack mules, Monorail, the Mark Twain...none would fit a current fan's idea of an E...but they all were.

Skip ahead a few years:

Pirates, Jungle, Tiki Room, Small World...all Es.

Like I said. An E is what Disney says it is. Everything else is someone's personal opinion.

Tiki Room in Florida, too—before New Management, of course. :lol:

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Tiki Room in Florida, too—before New Management, of course. :lol:

aka Tropical Serenade. Mickey Mouse Revue was one too, before begin Downgraded.

 

[goodtimes5286]

Never heard that from anyone, ever. Have you ever heard of Tokyo DisneySea? You know, Journey to the Center of the Earth and such? But I do agree that the coaster portion of E:E is lackluster.



*yawn*
I'm tired of watching you argue with everybody, and I'm certainly not going to start arguing with you, so here's a simple response.

I referenced the generally accepted definition, and didn't throw any misinformation around.

"The term "E-ticket" is still used in the industry, and generally references attractions with extensive theming, multiple or advanced AAs, thrills (may be physical or psychological), and a 'no-expense-spared' appearance (even if it's not actually the case)."

^^ That's what I said. That's how the industry and public perceive it.

And to be honest, none of this matters, because Lee's answer is the best one for Disney attractions: an E-ticket is whatever they say it is.

I had a ton more (including questions for lee about the tickets and basically he said was what my point was before you started saying i was wrong E-tickets wernt made up by guest beliefs now a days) , but it got deleted and now im too tired to care

On a side note, as much validity as people put into this whole E-ticket thing, I would love to hear from an imageneer as to how they classify attractions. Do they talk about them like we do around each other, just to the general public, or they have a different system all together?

We do refer to the scope of an attraction by the letter ticket nomenclature. We also use the terms dark ride, flat ride, show etc. Just as pointed out, the higher the letter that usually means the higher the budget, size, complexity etc. The Little Mermaid will be the first true E-ticket to meet the quality standards set by Disney to be opened here in the states since Tower of Terror and Indiana Jones (Anaheim).

 

[Crazy Harry]

to be honest i dont really like it. if there gonna go water at MK, why not go with nemo? The movie made way more then the stitch we see EVERYWHERE and theres an AMAZINGLY popular nemo ride in DL (ive NEVER seen a line that long in my LIFE). Why go back to the little mermaid, it seams too dated to me to be a NEW attraction with draw.

How good is attendance for the mermaid show at DHS? The park that had the LEAST people attending for 2008?

Well my friend, sorry to gang up on you too but I must. And I appologize if any of my arguments are repeats, because I refuse to read 14 pages, especially with my slow connection. But I have some points to make because you're arguments are severly flawed in my opinion (no offesne)

First, you bring up the little mermaid show as a reason not to build a new little mermaid ride. Many problems with that. First of all, you are comparing a stage show to a ride. For me, i hate stage shows but love rides. I will likely never see the little mermaid show again because it doesn't interest me, but if they build a ride I'm booking a flight asap. Besides, if you compare the best show to the best ride as far as which pulls in more guests, the ride will win every time. You're comparing night to day in this instance.

Secondly, its hard to compare something that is 20 years old to something brand spankin new. While there are certainly exceptions, new will draw because its new.

Thirdly, how old is the lion king and how well did it do on broadway? Wouldn't that dispell the myth that old properties can't produce successes.

Fourth, why would disney continue to release classics on DVD and blue ray if they were not still relavant?

Fifth, how old was Song of the South when Disney built Splash Mountain? How well is that doing now.

Sixth, as said already, we have two nemo rides already which is plenty. How would it be different from what is already present.

Seventh, maybe the line for Nemo at DL is long because its newer and it loads slow. I remember waiting over an hour for it before it was nemo.

Eighth, how popular is the Winnie the Pooh ride? When I went just recently, it was one of the longer wait times I had. And remind me how old it was when they built it? Think of rides also themed to Alice in Wonderland or Pinnochio for example. Do they still draw crowds even though Pinnochio was done in the forties.

Nine, new property or old, a good ride is a good ride. I guarentee, if they built a good ride from a bad movie, it would still be popular and probly increase intrest in the movie no matter how unpopular it was (Tron ).

Tenth, wasn't DHS still in the top ten for themepark attendance in the US?

So I hope this doesn't come off as an attack because of how long it is. I hate when my posts seem more hostile then I mean them.

 

[Crazy Harry]

1st notice the IN MY OPINION, now to the facts....

I hate to tell you champ, but EE isn't an E-ticket (according to the industry), posted by an imageneer (who is in the industry and actually uses these terms). ToT was the last TRUE, INDUSTRY E-ticket.

So you might wanna back off on the condecending throttle before you spread too much mis-information, and actually LEARN before you act like you know everything

As others have mentioned, I too was under the impression that the "e ticket" label was not a subjective term for whether or not you think its a good attraction. I suppose the point is a little mute because the ticket system was used so long ago, but for argument sake, if an e ticket is supposed to be the best of the best, why would Disney spend 100 million on something short of e ticket status? I'm just curious what are the criterion you believe constitute an e ticket attraction (or this imagineer for that matter)?