Congress Questions Next Gen

[lebeau]

What you said is true, what clinton was the only president in the last 60 years to balance the budget right?

I think what people are complaining about is that while they have important issues to deal with they have some random congressman wasting money and time on a nonissue in their mind.

I agree.

Put another way, there are some people who hate the government. They will be against just about everything the government does or doesn't do. "Balance the budget" is their current war cry. They don't realize it makes them seem silly because all the talking heads on their chosen media outlets keep saying it over and over again.

Then there is a group of people who love Disney. They think Disney can do no wrong and will shout down even the most sensible criticism of their beloved company.

There is also a cross section of people who hate the government and love Disney in equally irrational ways. This topic has to be catnip to these people. "Big Gov" vs. Mickey Mouse is like Rocky IV. USA! USA!

 

[ParentsOf4]

There is also a cross section of people who hate the government and love Disney in equally irrational ways. This topic has to be catnip to these people. "Big Gov" vs. Mickey Mouse is like Rocky IV. USA! USA!

It's not "Mickey Mouse", it a $42 Billion behemoth with a CEO making over $30M annually hiding behind a family friendly façade created by Roy and Walt Disney. The President of the United States has a $400,000 annual salary.

The U.S. Government has considerably more checks-and-balances than exist in the Disney boardroom. For the issues raised by Rep. Markey, we have the 4th Amendment along with various Privacy Acts protecting us from the government. We have nothing protecting us from TWDC.

 

[Wanderingman]

It's not "Mickey Mouse", it a $42 Billion behemoth with a CEO making over $30M annually hiding behind a family friendly façade created by Roy and Walt Disney. The President of the United States has a $400,000 annual salary.

The U.S. Government has considerably more checks-and-balances than exist in the Disney boardroom. For the issues raised by Rep. Markey, we have the 4th Amendment along with various Privacy Acts protecting us from the government. We have nothing protecting us from TWDC.

The problem is that nothing Disney is going to do is illegal nor does it do anything that numerous other big name companies do not do otherwise.

 

[Nemo14]

The problem is that nothing Disney is going to do is illegal nor does it do anything that numerous other big name companies do not do otherwise.

The fact that children are involved makes it potentially illegal though.

 

[Wanderingman]

The fact that children are involved makes it potentially illegal though.

True, but then again Google does the same thing if not goes a step farther dealing with Children and they have not been told to shut it down. It will be interesting to see Disney clear up all confusion, eventually.

 

[maxairmike]

The problem is that nothing Disney is going to do is illegal nor does it do anything that numerous other big name companies do not do otherwise.

Are you sure about that? A Disney-owned online operation was slapped with $3 million in fines in 2011 for violating COPPA, which is exactly what several here are concerned about. Burbank and guests alike have every reason (although different ones) to be concerned about NextGen in that manner, and I have no doubt that history will repeat itself in a manner fitting the size of NextGen.

 

[ParentsOf4]

The problem is that nothing Disney is going to do is illegal nor does it do anything that numerous other big name companies do not do otherwise.

Quoting Justice Samuel Alito in United States v. Jones:

In the pre-computer age, the greatest protections of privacy were neither constitutional nor statutory, but practical. Traditional surveillance for any extended period of time was difficult and costly and therefore rarely undertaken. The surveillance at issue in this case — constant monitoring of the location of a vehicle for four weeks — would have required a large team of agents, multiple vehicles, and perhaps aerial assistance. Only an investigation of unusual importance could have justified such an expenditure of law enforcement resources. Devices like the one used in the present case, however, make long-term monitoring relatively easy and cheap. In circumstances involving dramatic technological change, the best solution to privacy concerns may be legislative.

Essentially, technology has changed faster than lawmakers' ability to keep up with it. It's no different than many of the schemes practiced by the Robber Barons at the end of the 19th Century. It took a strong-willed leader like President Teddy Roosevelt to battle the now illegal business practices and inhuman working conditions imposed by the business leaders of his day.

Quoting Alex Carey, a pioneer in the study of modern business propaganda:

The 20th century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: The growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy.

Corporations continue to lobby hard to prevent Congress from passing laws curtailing current business practices. At this point, who's exercising more influence over Congress, the People or lobbyists?

Disney is lobbying hard so it can force its will on us.

 

[Wanderingman]

Are you sure about that? A Disney-owned online operation was slapped with $3 million in fines in 2011 for violating COPPA, which is exactly what several here are concerned about. Burbank and guests alike have every reason (although different ones) to be concerned about NextGen in that manner, and I have no doubt that history will repeat itself in a manner fitting the size of NextGen.

I have heard about that case, NextGen would get none of that info. No part of the RFID chips does it have the mailing address, email address, or any personal data besides name and age. Nothing will happen, I am almost 100% sure nothing will happen. Especially since the RFID chips have the same info the KTTW had.

 

[Wanderingman]

Quoting Justice Samuel Alito in United States v. Jones:

Essentially, technology has changed faster than lawmakers' ability to keep up with it. It's no different than many of the schemes practiced by the Robber Barons at the end of the 19th Century. It took a strong-willed leader like President Teddy Roosevelt to battle the now illegal business practices and inhuman working conditions imposed by the business leaders of his day.

Quoting Alex Carey, a pioneer in the study of modern business propaganda:

Corporations continue to lobby hard to prevent Congress from passing laws curtailing current business practices. At this point, who's exercising more influence over Congress, the People or lobbyists?

Disney is lobbying hard so it can force its will on us.

I would be concerned if Disney was doing anything vile, nothing about NextGen is vile. Do you hate KTTW? Did you think they should of been fined for that? What about when they introduced the biometrics?

 

[Nemo14]

I have heard about that case, NextGen would get none of that info. No part of the RFID chips does it have the mailing address, email address, or any personal data besides name and age. Nothing will happen, I am almost 100% sure nothing will happen. Especially since the RFID chips have the same info the KTTW had.

and after all, Disney invested all that money simply to enhance your theme-park experience.....

 

[Rose&Crowner]

If people never complained online then the internet would shut down. I think people forget that the people here make up 0.00000000000000000001% of the people who visit WDW.

Notice I said inferred statistic, not proven parameter.

 

[maxairmike]

I have heard about that case, NextGen would get none of that info. No part of the RFID chips does it have the mailing address, email address, or any personal data besides name and age. Nothing will happen, I am almost 100% sure nothing will happen. Especially since the RFID chips have the same info the KTTW had.

They wouldn't? How would a character greet a child by name, a ride character or line/post-show element "interact" with a guest in a personalized way? All of this will have to use information on minors, and Disney doesn't want to have to go through the parent to get it (see what they were saying and pushing for in relation to the changes that were made to COPPA recently. This isn't about the information on the bands, this is about the info being gathered and culled for all the "operations support." See what Disney's playing at? If they have to go through the parent, they're going to be playing on the heartstrings of their child's dream vacation to get information the parent otherwise wouldn't give out.

 

[unkadug]

I would be concerned if Disney was doing anything vile, nothing about NextGen is vile. Do you hate KTTW? Did you think they should of been fined for that? What about when they introduced the biometrics?

Are you a Corporate plant?

 

[Nemo14]

Are you a Corporate plant?

ya' think???

 

[ParentsOf4]

I would be concerned if Disney was doing anything vile, nothing about NextGen is vile. Do you hate KTTW? Did you think they should of been fined for that? What about when they introduced the biometrics?

The following post should help you understand why I oppose the active RFID transmitter in MagicBands:

http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/...ons-and-opinions.857322/page-151#post-5292262

I am greatly concerned with the precedent being set. Being a child of the 60s and 70s, many of the fears of "Big Brother" expressed then are just starting to become true today. The next 10-to-20 years will be critical in determining what happens to our privacy rights. Yes, this is all about privacy. U.S. v. Jones uses the word "privacy" 65 times in its ruling about tracking devices. The Supreme Court readily acknowledges we have a right to privacy and that tracking devices represent a "search" as defined in the 4th Amendment. The question being debated today is to what degree we have privacy. Hence Judge Alito's suggestion this should be determined legislatively. Current laws have not kept up with technology and corporations are lobbying hard to oppose any sort of restriction, exactly as predicted by Alex Carey decades ago.

Don't focus on what you think TWDC might or might not be doing with the information today. Frankly, TWDC has played this extremely close to the vest, which should cause some alarm. Also don't focus on today's technology. Technology will improve. Instead, beyond these two considerations, ask yourself what will corporations do 20 years from now if left unchecked? Once we accept the concept that private companies can track us, where does it end?

 

[Rose&Crowner]

The fact that children are involved makes it potentially illegal though.

No it doesn't. Their parents are choosing to pay a private company to harmlessly use information given to enhance experiences for the mutual benefit of all parties. No one is forcing anyone to go to WDW.

Now, that being said can you find the context keywords?:

Parents
Choose
Private company
Given
Benefit

 

[Rose&Crowner]

The following post should help you understand why I oppose the active RFID transmitter in MagicBands:

http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/...ons-and-opinions.857322/page-151#post-5292262

I am greatly concerned with the precedent being set. Being a child of the 60s and 70s, many of the fears of "Big Brother" expressed then are just starting to become true today. The next 10-to-20 years will be critical in determining what happens to our privacy rights. Yes, this is all about privacy. U.S. v. Jones uses the word "privacy" 65 times in its ruling about tracking devices. The Supreme Court readily acknowledges we have a right to privacy and that tracking devices represent a "search" as defined in the 4th Amendment. The question being debated today is to what degree we have privacy. Hence Judge Alito's suggestion this should be determined legislatively. Current laws have not kept up with technology and corporations are lobbying hard to oppose any sort of restriction, exactly as predicted by Alex Carey decades ago.

Don't focus on what you think TWDC might or might not be doing with the information today. Frankly, TWDC has played this extremely close to the vest, which should cause some alarm. Also don't focus on today's technology. Technology will improve. Instead, beyond these two considerations, ask yourself what will corporations do 20 years from now if left unchecked? Once we accept the concept that private companies can track us, where does it end?

Isn't there an episode of Coast to Coast on now?

 

[Nemo14]

The fact that children are involved makes it potentially illegal though.

No it doesn't. Their parents are choosing to pay a private company to harmlessly use information given to enhance experiences for the mutual benefit of all parties. No one is forcing anyone to go to WDW.

Now, that being said can you find the context keywords?:

Parents
Choose
Private company
Given
Benefit

How about adding
potentially
illegal

 

[unkadug]

No it doesn't. Their parents are choosing to pay a private company to harmlessly use information given to enhance experiences for the mutual benefit of all parties. No one is forcing anyone to go to WDW.

Now, that being said can you find the context keywords?:

Parents
Choose
Private company
Given
Benefit

Right....they spent almost 2 billion dollars to simply enhance your experience.

The "harmlessly" use of your information is what is at issue here.

This isn't the same company that created Mickey Mouse...this is a corporate behemoth.

 

[ParentsOf4]

Isn't there an episode of Coast to Coast on now?

Sorry, I have no idea what Coast to Coast is. Perhaps you should write a more informative response taking into account corporate history, rulings from the Supreme Court, Privacy Acts, along with the evolution of the technology to suggest why it ends with today's MagicBands.