Captain Barbossa
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That was going to be my guess seeing how empty noose phantom looks a lot more updated/fresh.
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Changes to Haunted Mansion Library Busts
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ToTBellHop
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I think implied murder like this would be the best way to remove the suicide without needing to change the dialogue, and it stays sinister. The Ghost Host offers to help us leave the room by murdering us. However, my fear is that they’d take that excuse to “plus” the rest of the rides with story elements suggesting other murders committed by the Ghost Host, which I’d rather avoid since I don’t trust them to do it in a subtle way. None of the additions over the last 20 years have been subtle.
MerlinTheGoat
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At this rate, it seems more likely they'd just outright remove any reference to violent death at all in that scene. If they miraculously DO keep a violent edge to the scene, I would venture a guess that it would probably not include a noose specifically. Given certain other reasons that you may be able to figure out.
It'll be interesting to see what they do with Constance though, as she's said to be changing. Wonder if her death threats are going to remain.
Cariad
Active Member
The last part of Carousel of Progress perhaps.
Cariad
Active Member
I think people should just grow up. No one ever left a suicide note blaming the Haunted Mansion. I don't mean to sound frivolous, but get a grip people!
How does that work with the "There's always my way" though? And I suspect any stateside revision will undoubtedly remove the noose for a multitude of reasons.
The kids aren't the ones pushing for the removal.
ToTBellHop
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Maybe they can just put Elsa up there. She’s so aloof that I wouldn’t be surprised to see her hiding in the rafters muttering “Into the Unknown” lyrics to herself.
Captain Barbossa
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Fair question. It could work just as well with implying that taking his way means he’s going to murder you.
PSA -- suicide is no joke. If you or someone you know is having thoughts of self-harm, there are resources you should access at https://988lifeline.org/
That said, the stretching room is, IMHO, suitably in keeping with the theme of the HM and should not be drastically altered. But eliminating the noose and corpse (sounds like a British pub, doesn't it?) would not drastically alter the scene. Eliminate the "no way out" dialogue, put out the lights and play the scream, then open the door and let the people out.
ToTBellHop
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Yeah. Do we even know what he looks like. Is he the creepy dude with the noose later in the ride?
Ellen Ripley
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Yes but first, restore the original attic and bride.
Captain Barbossa
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Disstevefan1
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I am joining this thread late. Why are they making this change?
Are they testing new effects?
The original busts is a passive effect; optical illusion that required NOTHING to make it happen.
Epcot82Guy
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To echo the above, anyone dealing with thoughts of suicide - there is help and people that are very willing to listen. While it doesn't always feel this way, we're in this life together. And people do care about how you are genuinely feeling.
For the ride, it's interesting. I certainly see the suicide angle. When I was a kid, I assumed it was murder. That the Ghost Host's preferred way was someone pushed into an untimely, gruesome death. I never really thought about whether it was physical murder, coercing someone into doing it (i.e. driving them mad), etc. I was well aware of it being a hanged person. But, I always thought the Ghost Host was involved - not the body. (Not to say I don't 100% see that interpretation, too.)
I truly hate that they feel the need to change this, but I do get it. I think a modified version of the Paris version with a skeletal figure dangling the noose would be just fine. Or even a skeletal figure above and one in the noose. I just hope they keep a version that makes sense and has a similar tone. A "Red the pirate" treatment here would go too far IMHO.
For the ride, it's interesting. I certainly see the suicide angle. When I was a kid, I assumed it was murder. That the Ghost Host's preferred way was someone pushed into an untimely, gruesome death. I never really thought about whether it was physical murder, coercing someone into doing it (i.e. driving them mad), etc. I was well aware of it being a hanged person. But, I always thought the Ghost Host was involved - not the body. (Not to say I don't 100% see that interpretation, too.)
I truly hate that they feel the need to change this, but I do get it. I think a modified version of the Paris version with a skeletal figure dangling the noose would be just fine. Or even a skeletal figure above and one in the noose. I just hope they keep a version that makes sense and has a similar tone. A "Red the pirate" treatment here would go too far IMHO.
Bocabear
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changing it at this point would be ridiculous. Yes suicide is real and terrible...but like trying to change Pirates into Antiques sellers, it doesn't really work. They need to leave things like the stretchinroom alone.... and honestly you can barely make out what is going on up in the ceiling in that scene....a skeleton hanging...barely visible is hardly an endorsement for suicide. Cayou imagine if now the super violent superhero films we are constantly inundated with had to constantly remind the viewers that these are actors and this is not real and you should not kpeople and you should not blow people up ...lol The Haunted mansion is really the least violent, happiest version of a haunted attraction that exists...