If they hadn't built the west side as a knee jerk reaction to Citywalk, there wouldn't have been a problem.
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If they hadn't built the west side as a knee jerk reaction to Citywalk, there wouldn't have been a problem.
that, sir, is my new facebook status :ROFLOL:
Just posting to indicate agreement with all this.
jt04
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Even the most ardent PI defender would hardly say the place was like "striking gold". In America any concept that "strikes gold" immediately gets duplicated. That never happened. Everyone forgets the overhead that place had. I'm all for keeping the AC open but toned down and more family friendly.
What is wrong with family. :shrug:
DisneyCanadian
New Member
DTD needs to have more than just retail and restaurant locations. It's supposed to be a place for nightlife and entertainment. The reason PI did not work is because they had the same clubs/bars for years.
Any person who regularly attends them knows their popularity is cyclical. I'm assuming people got tired of the same stuff and stopped going. There was variety as each place had different atmosphere's, but again having the same handful of places year after year can get tiresome.
I only hope the WDI and execs can do something fun and usefull with DTD, and not just have it a place to shop. You can get all the same stuff in the gift shops at the parks or resorts as you can as DTD.
Any person who regularly attends them knows their popularity is cyclical. I'm assuming people got tired of the same stuff and stopped going. There was variety as each place had different atmosphere's, but again having the same handful of places year after year can get tiresome.
I only hope the WDI and execs can do something fun and usefull with DTD, and not just have it a place to shop. You can get all the same stuff in the gift shops at the parks or resorts as you can as DTD.
CaptainMichael
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Toned down? Not necessary.
jt04
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MonorailCentral
Member
Clubs & Disney...not a good combo.
The last thing that Disney knows anything about is the club business. If you've ever worked in the biz for any amount of time you realize real quick that if you're "hot" one year you're not going to be the next. It's just the nature of the beast and if you don't know how to roll w/the punches than your bar/club will fail and that's what happened at PI. (I wouldn't consider AC a club...it was more of an attraction). PI was more stagnant than musty water and their New Years parties were the biggest joke ever (it's where washed up MOR talent go to die). If you want to see how successful nightlife can be in Orlando, head downtown on a Friday night. That's how you do it.
BTW...WDW is the greatest form of birth control on the planet. It'll scare the bejesus out of any potential mom or dad. The last thing I want is a gaggle of kids crying and moaning all day AND having to spend thousands of dollars to hear them do it. I've always said it and I'll say it again. WDW should be 21+.
Central clear.
The last thing that Disney knows anything about is the club business. If you've ever worked in the biz for any amount of time you realize real quick that if you're "hot" one year you're not going to be the next. It's just the nature of the beast and if you don't know how to roll w/the punches than your bar/club will fail and that's what happened at PI. (I wouldn't consider AC a club...it was more of an attraction). PI was more stagnant than musty water and their New Years parties were the biggest joke ever (it's where washed up MOR talent go to die). If you want to see how successful nightlife can be in Orlando, head downtown on a Friday night. That's how you do it.
BTW...WDW is the greatest form of birth control on the planet. It'll scare the bejesus out of any potential mom or dad. The last thing I want is a gaggle of kids crying and moaning all day AND having to spend thousands of dollars to hear them do it. I've always said it and I'll say it again. WDW should be 21+.
Central clear.
Lee
Adventurer
Nothing. WDW is full of "family" places.
But....not everything has to be "family", unless you have a very broad definition of the word. Those of us who like to avoid "family" from time to time really appreciate the escape that PI/AC offered.
CDavid
Well-Known Member
This is a separate, though related, and far more serious problem. If basically the same selection of similar merchandise is available at every retail location, what possible reason do I have for shopping at more than one shop. Indeed, often we just go to World of Disney because we can find most everything there, not have to fool with carrying it around or sending it back to the hotel. We may buy a few items at the resort, but with the rumored demise of much of the resort-specific merchandise, there will be no need for that anymore either.
If I haven't bought that same generic "Disney Parks" t-shirt you're pushing the first 25 shops I see it in, chances are I'm not going to suddenly take a liking to it after that. But if instead the Downtown Disney establishments were offering mostly merchandise you can't find elsewhere in Walt Disney World then probably I'll both have a compelling reason to visit the place and there's an excellent chance I'll find something I'm interested in.
Once you could find a wide selection of quality, expensive but not unreasonably so, merchandise at the Marketplace (then the Walt Disney World Village) which had little or nothing to do with Disney. That's a difficult concept for many of todays WDW visitors to grasp. The dress shoes Dad once bought at Sir Edwards Haberdasher, or the cookware Mom got at a long-gone Village store were only souvenirs in the broadest sense, but Disney made the sale (and the profits) because they provided a pleasant shopping experience in a throroughly enjoyable "Disney" resort setting.
While we all go to Disney for Disney - which is why we don't want a Marketplace (or P.I. or West Side) full of 3rd party tenants - that doesn't necessairily mean that every last person wants "all characters, all the time". Just like there remains some authentic (native) merchandise in World Showcase and Animal Kingdom, so is there a place for Disney-operated shops selling more than the same generic "Disney" souvenirs already found in too many other places in the "world".
That stupid floor at Mannequins is popping up in rumors again. I'm hearing that it was removed in 8 pieces through the big garage door and that the power grid for PI exists in the 8-trax/mannequins building and that's why it can't be removed. Additionally, the wiring is out of date, which is why they can't reopen. Can anyone confirm or deny any of this?
The power grid stuff is new info to me, but I still find the floor information hard to believe. What would be the purpose?
The power grid stuff is new info to me, but I still find the floor information hard to believe. What would be the purpose?
imagineer boy
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JustInTime
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I went to WDW 2 weeks ago. I went to P.I. and it was the SADDEST thing EVER. The Adventure's Club was just sitting their. All the lights were on in the place so I got a good look. It looks untouched. I was always too young to go in. 
JustInTime
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I have been. it is BY FAR the coolest place I have ever been in. The Pumpkin Tortellini was life changing. here is the Wiki page. Everyone should go. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jekyll_&_Hyde_Club
CaptainMichael
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I went to WDW 2 weeks ago. I went to P.I. and it was the SADDEST thing EVER. The Adventure's Club was just sitting their. All the lights were on in the place so I got a good look. It looks untouched. I was always too young to go in.
I often wonder what guests think when they see that cool looking building and can't go in. Even if you didn't like it, you have to admit its a pretty sweet looking building/facade.
The power grid was on the 3rd floor of the building, essentially it was just behind the back wall of the stage. Could it be removed, yes but it would require powering down the whole island for a few weeks while I'm told.
I'm also told that the floor was intact along with some of the other hardware inside the club. This was just after the entertainment department removed all the items they wanted from the club. So if it has been removed, it wasn't done by entertainment.
I'm also told that the floor was intact along with some of the other hardware inside the club. This was just after the entertainment department removed all the items they wanted from the club. So if it has been removed, it wasn't done by entertainment.
All I have to do is stand in front of AC for 10 minutes and I hear multiple conversations as people pass it. I've even heard people say "hmm it must not be open yet. We'll come back at 10"
People also still frequently visit the island on the weekend clearly in clubbing attire, only to find out there are no clubs.
Pumbas Nakasak
Heading for the great escape.
Or baby seals...................
71jason
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Exactly. The bartenders at Laffers and PI Live still get asked "when do the clubs open?" or "where do we go to dance?" multiple times a night on weekdays, multiple times an hour on weekend nights. And the AC is still probably behind only Cindy's Castle and SSE as the most photographed building on property.
