Andrew C
You know what's funny?
That isn't what is happening with RoA removal...
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Andrew C
You know what's funny?
First, how would any of us have those specific metrics? You are asking an unanswerable question. Even for those that drill down to these types of details as part of their job with Disney, the nuance would be significant.
Second, oh my goodness, for you it is like if you can't attach a specific number to it, it doesn't matter...
el_super
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If someone says something is real, what's wrong in asking for proof?
TrainsOfDisney
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This is….. this is an interesting take.
AidenRodriguez731
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it's an interesting take but now that I think about it, they definitely have a point. It's by all means a time jump that doesn't really make sense.
UNCgolf
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That wouldn't make any sense. Most people that visit the other parks also visit the Magic Kingdom (and most people that visit DCA also visit Disneyland), so adding them all up and pointing at that number would be statistical malpractice.
It's not like the MK had 17 million visitors, and then EPCOT had 11 million (hypothetical number) completely separate, unique visitors. Most of those 11 million would already be counted in the MK figure.
Quietmouse
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So yes and no.
When we went out to Disney land, it was because we had a trip to San Diego and decided to make a day trip for Disney land.
Never went to dca.
Likewise, some parents might only visit magic kingdom and Epcot, some might just only visit magic kingdom, some might visit all 4.
It’s really dependent on the age of your kids, how many days your trip is, and what’s your budget.
Andrew C
You know what's funny?
You are attempting to make a point to fit a certain narrative, without actually reading what he wrote.
How could he possibly have a metric in his hand to measure the impact of RoA or comparable park area? And also, are you going to pretend that RoA doesn't have an impact on guest experience just because the individual doesn't have a metric to provide or we can't put a specific number to it? I think we should all be able to agree it does have a positive impact on guests, while at the same time debating whether or not that impact warrants keeping it.
AidenRodriguez731
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I mean I have definitely seen a lot of jokes and memes throughout the internet of people hating ROA/Tom Sawyer. Have you not seen any of the memes of people saying "Disney is closing TSI & ROA, call me up and I'll fill them in myself" So it's not a positive impact for everyone. There are people who dislike it and want Cars much better, whether or not people want to accept that opinion. The question is indeed pretty much moot because its impossible to prove or disprove. ROA being filled in is not going to affect guest members, no matter how many people say that this is their "last straw" and "never going to Disney again". There will be just as many people who've never went who want to see the new Cars land, almost certainly more. And the merch sales will more than make up for the few people who don't want to come back.
Which attraction?
Andrew C
You know what's funny?
I mean, my last straw is what recently reopened at Epcot, this just reaffirms my position. Yes, others will probably take my place, but there may be an overall tipping point eventually...
Ayla
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Unless it is fully enclosed, it will be impossible *not* to hear it.
el_super
Well-Known Member
Oh I read it. The statement that bad ride placement can erode the thematic coherence of the parks is nothing but spin. It's not real at all. That's why there are no real examples of it ever happening.
danlb_2000
Premium Member
Like so many of the things that made the parks great, it is hard to measure.
danlb_2000
Premium Member
Proper theming is what makes Disney parks what they are. Have you ever been in a Six Flags park? Do you they feel the same to you as walking around in a Disney park? They both have rides, shows, entertainment, shop, restaurants, etc. What is it that makes Disney feel different?
As I have said many times, there are 1000's of details in Disney parks that most guests don't consciously notice, but combines these are what makes Disney parks special. I always like this passage from John Hench's Imagineering books. This is the kind of thought Disney used to put into every detail of the parks.
"Color supports the identity of form by helping to define it. For example, in painting an apple in black and white, if I depict the fruit with a bite taken out of it, it makes its identity as an apple, rather than a peach or a plum, clearer. But an apple painted in red doesn't need the bite taken out of it; its color supports the viewer's perception of what it is. The form, carefully rendered in color, creates the image's "appleness." the shinny red apple given to Snow White by the wicked witch is clearly identified by its color and form, and is an essential element in the story highly prized by guests in the Snow White dark ride." -- John Hench
Andrew C
You know what's funny?
This is an amazing statement.
FiestaFunKid
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Piling on - but the beauty of ROA and especially TSA is the differentiated experience it offers. It provides actual exploration, that even surprises adults as they travel over bridges and down into tunnels. From a sensory perspective, it allows for actual touch. An immersion aspect less and less a part of WDW. Many have also pointed out the relaxing balance it provides vs the rest of the park.
I would guess many of the TSA haters have never been over there....and I don't blame them if they are infrequent visitors who need to allocate their time booking their next LL, but it's worth a visit. We can drop in new c and e-ticket attractions forever, that will be similar in form an function to Universal offerings, but these iconic Disney areas will never be re-created.
An overarching point that Disney misses is how well guests mentally separate movie/tv IP consumption from a ride experience. Obviously, it has it's place but guests primarily care about a great attraction (immersion, fun, thrills, feels) not seeing the most recent IP.
I went to the parks in the 80s and early 90s and we all loved great attractions with decades old IP - Snow White, Pan, Splash, Mr Toad, and many more. We didn't go home complaining that there were no Aristocats, or Rescuers attractions.....AND we didn't rush to watch Wind in the Willows or SOTH after their rides. Most people view/evaluate attractiions in a vacuum based on the standalone experience and IPs are not cheat codes to elevate them.
I would guess many of the TSA haters have never been over there....and I don't blame them if they are infrequent visitors who need to allocate their time booking their next LL, but it's worth a visit. We can drop in new c and e-ticket attractions forever, that will be similar in form an function to Universal offerings, but these iconic Disney areas will never be re-created.
An overarching point that Disney misses is how well guests mentally separate movie/tv IP consumption from a ride experience. Obviously, it has it's place but guests primarily care about a great attraction (immersion, fun, thrills, feels) not seeing the most recent IP.
I went to the parks in the 80s and early 90s and we all loved great attractions with decades old IP - Snow White, Pan, Splash, Mr Toad, and many more. We didn't go home complaining that there were no Aristocats, or Rescuers attractions.....AND we didn't rush to watch Wind in the Willows or SOTH after their rides. Most people view/evaluate attractiions in a vacuum based on the standalone experience and IPs are not cheat codes to elevate them.
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el_super
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This is an amazing statement.
Not really. I provided lots of evidence in this thread where theme was basically abandoned for a cool new idea. Something they have been doing rather successfully for some 70 years now.
If you want to believe that there are some "rules" to theme park design as a way of validating a fear of change... go for it. Just don't think everyone, especially Disney, subscribes to that.
Andrew C
You know what's funny?
That is just...not happening here...