News Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[ᗩLᘿᑕ ✨ ᗩζᗩᗰ]

Well, they could have designed it as an off road adventure.
Using off road SUV's.
That would have allowed for a slower pace, and arguably work better as far as blending the theming in.

Disney/Pixar Cars has a book, short and toys based on "off-road" Cars characters.

 

[Incomudro]

Disney/Pixar Cars has a book, short and toys based on "off-road" Cars characters.

I didn't know that.

 

[Incomudro]

That is really just a concept design, in theory it could be implemented on a larger vehicle.

Yes, but that's not what Rallye Racers are.

 

[celluloid]

The reality is that frontier land in current day magic kingdom have anything remotely to do with time period.

I think the country bears and splash mountain were proof of that.

Country Bear was a meta humor tribute to the time. About the time. Like many famous tributes to the time. Not really the same.
Mines and logging and many other things of splash evoked The American Frontier.

 

[Incomudro]

Frontier airlines mainly flies out west to Colorado, California, etc.

Frontierland is just about time and place as much as it about geography.

If we are solely talking about the environment switch over from roa to piston peak then it 100 percent matches the theme.

As far as modern cars racing thru a national forest that’s up for debate.

I'd have preferred Radiator Springs.

 

[ᗩLᘿᑕ ✨ ᗩζᗩᗰ]

I didn't know that.

Honestly, I didn't either. When I was researching the concept I noticed all the related products. Makes me wonder if they weren't planning this a decade ago.

 

[celluloid]

Did I say it fits Frontierland? I've been pretty clear that the "rules" are Disney's to change. The goal of this project is to revitalize an aging dying concept of a theme park land and this project will absolutely do that and be a huge success. Whether it "fits" or not is pretty trivial

Theme Park Art and Design is wasting and has always wasted a lot of time and resources then.

And why are you so sure it will be a huge success? Why is that the only aspect and certain outcome you keep coming back to? Kind of a company line fella huh?

You always say Disney wants less people in your theme parks. How can you be sure this will do both bring more in and keep more put at the same time?

Why the heck did they ever build the TTC and resort loop? They waste so much time on placemaking and clearly it does not bring success and you said earlier there has never been moderation.

 

[CoasterCowboy67]

The mine opens in the 1850s, and eerie things begin happening immediately after construction. This includes trains running on their own. This is not when guests visit. Guests visit later after the eerie occurrences and disasters worsen, culminating in a flood that destroys the adjacent town, causing the miners to abandon it. The mines have just been reopened for exploration.

Where are you getting this from? And why does Disney’s website clearly make it seem like we are riding these eerie trains in the 1850s “soon after” their discovery, and not this supposed 40 years later?

 

[CoasterCowboy67]

I don't think too people consider the modern western regions as frontier anymore, considering it's all been explored and settled.

Except it’s not settled. The vast majority of land in the American west today is very much undeveloped. We can thank National Parks for part of that.

Unlike the East coast which has far more urban centers and suburban sprawl

You don’t think the average person who watches a show like Yellowstone, that takes place in modern times, and doesn’t feel the setting evokes the Frontier to them?

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[SobchakSecurity]

Where are you getting this from? And why does Disney’s website clearly make it seem like we are riding these eerie trains in the 1850s “soon after” their discovery, and not this supposed 40 years later?

There's a map in the queue that is clearly labeled as 1880 (google search "big thunder mountain queue map" for pics).

Big Thunder is the culmination of the chronological voyage of American history along the River from the 17th century beginning in Liberty Square to 1880s-90s in the farthest reaches of Frontierland at BTM.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

They don’t need to just as they don’t need to justify why Jungle Cruise is next to Pirates despite taking place centuries apart

Pirates are long dead… hence the skeletons. The drop takes us back in time to see them.

The reality is that frontier land in current day magic kingdom have anything remotely to do with time period.

I think the country bears and splash mountain were proof of that.

It’s been advertised Tianas takes place one year after the movie - so 1920s is the established time for that attraction.

 

[James Alucobond]

Where are you getting this from? And why does Disney’s website clearly make it seem like we are riding these eerie trains in the 1850s “soon after” their discovery, and not this supposed 40 years later?

The trains are not “discovered”. They were built as part of the mining operation in the 1850s and began sometimes mysteriously operating autonomously soon thereafter. The miners apparently ignored this to the extent that they could, but the flood that destroyed the town drove everyone out. During the ride, which was established as an exploratory attraction long after the disaster, the town is abandoned and decayed, many structures still half flooded. As others said, queue details give hints of this background and clues to the actual timeline, and I think other elements have been fleshed out in interviews over the years.

 

[el_super]

Theme Park Art and Design is wasting and has always wasted a lot of time and resources then.

No. The fans have wasted a lot of time thinking about it and trying to to make it fit into "rules" only they understand. The truth is: no one really cares about it. Not even going back to Walt. Looking at the river specifically the Columbia and Mark Twain, both added by Walt were chronologically separated by about 100 years. Somehow... it didn't matter though.

And why are you so sure it will be a huge success? Why is that the only aspect and certain outcome you keep coming back to?

Cars has always been hugely popular. When they added it to California Adventure (where it also didn't fit per the "rules") it was a smash hit.

You always say Disney wants less people in your theme parks. How can you be sure this will do both bring more in and keep more put at the same time?

The two goals are not mutually exclusive. You can raise prices to lower attendance and then add more attractions to justify higher prices. They certainly have a plan and it has been working so far.

 

[Raineman]

No. The fans have wasted a lot of time thinking about it and trying to to make it fit into "rules" only they understand. The truth is: no one really cares about it. Not even going back to Walt. Looking at the river specifically the Columbia and Mark Twain, both added by Walt were chronologically separated by about 100 years. Somehow... it didn't matter though.



Cars has always been hugely popular. When they added it to California Adventure (where it also didn't fit per the "rules") it was a smash hit.



The two goals are not mutually exclusive. You can raise prices to lower attendance and then add more attractions to justify higher prices. They certainly have a plan and it has been working so far.

I really don't think that raising prices to lower attendance is a strategy that Disney would use. They have continually raised prices over the last decade, as attendance has either stayed the same, or increased. What they want is full parks with guests that will pay more and more with each visit. They would have to raise the prices of park admission, resort rates, food prices and merch prices to an exorbitant amount if they still wanted to continue making more money with less people in the parks, to the point that the majority of their loyal customer base would stop coming.

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

Frontier airlines mainly flies out west to Colorado, California, etc.

Southwest Air has a hub at a hub near Baltimore, and flies to NH, Puerto Rico, Seattle.

I didn't realize the name of Frontier Airlines makes where they fly part of the Frontier, or that Maryland is now a Southwestern state.

 

[erasure fan1]

The truth is: no one really cares about it. Not even going back to Walt.

Hard disagree on that one. Maybe you don't care about it. But it matters a lot more than you give it credit for. It's never been a tangible thing you can measure. But it's always been that silent differentiator. That said, will this new attraction make people up and leave Disney? Of course not. If the theming and art direction are good, and the ride is awesome, most normies will accept it. But the big elephant in the room is, can Disney pull it off. I'm not so sure.

 

[Quietmouse]

Southwest Air has a hub at a hub near Baltimore, and flies to NH, Puerto Rico, Seattle.

I didn't realize the name of Frontier Airlines makes where they fly part of the Frontier, or that Maryland is now a Southwestern state.

Exactly, so that’s why frontier airlines evokes Colorado the same way Southwest Airlines evokes Austin.

 

[Raineman]

Hard disagree on that one. Maybe you don't care about it. But it matters a lot more than you give it credit for. It's never been a tangible thing you can measure. But it's always been that silent differentiator. That said, will this new attraction make people up and leave Disney? Of course not. If the theming and art direction are good, and the ride is awesome, most normies will accept it. But the big elephant in the room is, can Disney pull it off. I'm not so sure.

If this is the new trend for new Disney theme park projects, then I, personally, might not ever be back, tbh. If parts of WDW that have been in place for decades continue to change or be removed, then that is not the WDW that I want to visit and spend my money on. I have no interest in visiting Only IP World. Having said that, I sincerely do hope that the people that like these changes continue to enjoy the parks. There are so many other places where I can spend my vacation dollars, and I look forward to doing that.

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

Except it’s not settled. The vast majority of land in the American west today is very much undeveloped. We can thank National Parks for part of that.

Unlike the East coast which has far more urban centers and suburban sprawl

You don’t think the average person who watches a show like Yellowstone, that takes place in modern times, and doesn’t feel the setting evokes the Frontier to them?

No.
Federal Land, yes. National Park, no.

The federal government manages 640 million acres. This land is held in trust for the American people, primarily managed by 4 agencies:
the National Park Service (NPS) - 84 million acres, 3.7% of the land
the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) -248 million acres,10.5% of all land
the United States Forest Service (USFS) =193 million acres, 8.5% of the land
the United States Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS)=95 million acres (3.9% of land) + 760 million acres of submerged lands and waters
A small share of federal land is managed by the Department of Defense and other agencies.
The remaining 199 million acres of public land is managed by state and local agencies =199 million acres, 8.7% of the country’s land.

https://www.publiclands.com/blog/a/public-lands-in-the-united-states

 

[Quietmouse]

If this is the new trend for new Disney theme park projects, then I, personally, might not ever be back, tbh. If parts of WDW that have been in place for decades continue to change or be removed, then that is not the WDW that I want to visit and spend my money on. I have no interest in visiting Only IP World. Having said that, I sincerely do hope that the people that like these changes continue to enjoy the parks. There are so many other places where I can spend my vacation dollars, and I look forward to doing that.

The irony of saying that when Walt Disney built Disney land in order to promote his ips.