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[el_super]

Hard disagree on that one. Maybe you don't care about it. But it matters a lot more than you give it credit for.

Is there an example of a good ride that failed because it was put in the wrong area?

 

[Raineman]

The irony of saying that when Walt Disney built Disney land in order to promote his ips.

Please read my post again-I said "Only IP". Even opening day Disneyland was not all IP based attractions. Disney parks need IP, both classic and contemporary, but not every attraction needs to have an IP attached to it. There is a balance there that has been maintained for decades, but the scales have begun to tip towards IP. I have no problem if people like that and want to keep visiting, but it's not the kind of park that I want to keep visiting.

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

Hard disagree on that one. Maybe you don't care about it. But it matters a lot more than you give it credit for. It's never been a tangible thing you can measure. But it's always been that silent differentiator. That said, will this new attraction make people up and leave Disney? Of course not. If the theming and art direction are good, and the ride is awesome, most normies will accept it. But the big elephant in the room is, can Disney pull it off. I'm not so sure.

Having a water feature in AK, MK, Epcot, Sea World, and US/IoA adds something significant to all of them. Now that this is being discussed, I have always found something about HS to be a bit off-putting. It has a small water feature, but it is not as prominent as the ones in the other parks.

The water is a big part of what makes most of the Disney and Universal hotels relaxing. This includes all of the WDW deluxe resorts except AKL, all of the moderates, Pop, and AoA. At Universal: HRH, Porto, RP, SF, and Endless Summer.

 

[Chef idea Mickey`=]

Is there an example of a good ride that failed because it was put in the wrong area?

Interesting question

 

[CoasterCowboy67]

No.
Federal Land, yes. National Park, no.

The federal government manages 640 million acres. This land is held in trust for the American people, primarily managed by 4 agencies:
the National Park Service (NPS) - 84 million acres, 3.7% of the land
the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) -248 million acres,10.5% of all land
the United States Forest Service (USFS) =193 million acres, 8.5% of the land
the United States Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS)=95 million acres (3.9% of land) + 760 million acres of submerged lands and waters
A small share of federal land is managed by the Department of Defense and other agencies.
The remaining 199 million acres of public land is managed by state and local agencies =199 million acres, 8.7% of the country’s land.

https://www.publiclands.com/blog/a/public-lands-in-the-united-states

And what’s your point? The land is still undeveloped. I said National Parks was part of that, which is a fact as you just shared

 

[celluloid]

Cars has always been hugely popular. When they added it to California Adventure (where it also didn't fit per the "rules") it was a smash hit.

They gave starving people good chicken and called it a streak. Also, over a decade ago.compared to now.

See Cars 2 and 3. Not hugely popular, just not much else from Pixar in the parks since.

You are all.sorts.of wrong on putting design principles as.rules in quotes. Taste is subjective, hoaever there is an artform to it. Just because Disney has lowered its standards does not mean they just don't exist at times anymore.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

The truth is: no one really cares about it. Not even going back to Walt. Looking at the river specifically the Columbia and Mark Twain, both added by Walt were chronologically separated by about 100 years. Somehow... it didn't matter though.

What is “it” - Imagineers write long paragraphs about cracks in sidewalk and 5 shades of white on a hotel.

Walt famously argued with Ward Kimble about fully enclosed cattle cars on the Disneyland Railroad - Walt wanted them to be 100% accurate and Ward suggested they have windows so guests could see.

 

[Gusey]

Today is apparently Lightning McQueen day? If they're trying to make it a thing, could see them trying to open this attraction to coincide with it in a few years time?

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[MickeyLuv'r]

Is there an example of a good ride that failed because it was put in the wrong area?

Oooh! I can answer this one!

YES!

A good number of long closed amusement parks had great rides. Knoebel's- a successful park- has a number of rides that have been moved from other parks that are now closed, plus some parks that are still open, like Kennywood.

The Phoenix (Rocket) was moved from anow closed park in TX, the carousel came from NJ, the Looper from MA, several came from Kennywood.

One ride that was especially in the wrong location is Knoebel's whip, which came from a long-closed amusement park in PA. Croop's Glen was located in a glen that collapsed. So 100%, the ride was formerly in the wrong area. The ride originally opened in 1915. How crazy is it that it is still in operation in 2024?

 

[Schmidt]

Hope not…this could be exceedingly unreliable and with Florida's weather could be an absolute nightmare for downtime and limited capacity.

It just doesn’t look all that fun to me either. If this is what we’re getting, just rip out the Speedway and put it over there instead.

Looks amazing too me! The application for something like this looks very broad. I’m pumped about this attraction, maybe not its location.
Amazeballs!

 

[CoasterCowboy67]

Pirates are long dead… hence the skeletons. The drop takes us back in time to see them.

90% of the ride we are in a vastly different century than Jungle Cruise. Time travel doesn’t erase that. Less than 1% of people who visit the park think to themselves “oh, weird this ride is such a different time that Jungle Cruise. But I get it — it’s because we’re just seeing ghosts”

You cannot expect a business to operate with that kind of thinking in mind

 

[Schmidt]

The problem is they’ve given no indication they actually plan to do this. It’s just backstory marketing speak meant to appeal to parks fans like us, not an actual plan to change the MK in a way that makes sense.

You are being dismissive just for the sake of being dismissive. Back marketing speak? Come on. Give this a minute to develop.

 

[CoasterCowboy67]

The trains are not “discovered”. They were built as part of the mining operation in the 1850s and began sometimes mysteriously operating autonomously soon thereafter. The miners apparently ignored this to the extent that they could, but the flood that destroyed the town drove everyone out. During the ride, which was established as an exploratory attraction long after the disaster, the town is abandoned and decayed, many structures still half flooded. As others said, queue details give hints of this background and clues to the actual timeline, and I think other elements have been fleshed out in interviews over the years.

Even if this is true, Disney is emphasizing the 1850s more than all this other detail about a flood and reopening. This is an 1850s mine, and next door is a 1920s band being formed. Decades time jump, which Cars is only continuing

I appreciate the detail, the point still stands Tiana is a time jump and Cars will be another

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

You cannot expect a business to operate with that kind of thinking in mind

The entire Disney business does operate with this kind of thinking in mind.

Disney Imagineering, Pixar, Disney Feature Animation, Lucas Studios, Marvel, etc.

 

[October82]

You are being dismissive just for the sake of being dismissive. Back marketing speak? Come on. Give this a minute to develop.

Permits are already being filed. This isn’t going to develop in any direction better than what has been shown.

As so many are apt to remind, Disney is a corporation with a profit motive. What they say on stage or in a press statement is marketing speak designed to keep customers spending money. It’s not a commitment to delivering a high quality product or an indication that they take design seriously.

 

[October82]

The entire Disney business does operate with this kind of thinking in mind.

Disney Imagineering, Pixar, Disney Feature Animation, Lucas Studios, Marvel, etc.

I would qualify this and say that creatives understand how to use cultural motifs, architectural elements, and design details in ways that allow for suspension of disbelief. The same is done in quality animation and live action film making.

It’s not that PotC ever explicitly explains the time travel or supernatural aspects, it’s that they’re implied by the design of the experience. This is something Disney Parks largely don’t do anymore - “book report” attractions are the default since they are more straightforwardly synergistic with the rest of the business model.

 

[James Alucobond]

Even if this is true, Disney is emphasizing the 1850s more than all this other detail about a flood and reopening. This is an 1850s mine, and next door is a 1920s band being formed. Decades time jump, which Cars is only continuing

I appreciate the detail, the point still stands Tiana is a time jump and Cars will be another

I honestly don’t know what the original argument was. I was just correcting the time period of Big Thunder. Frontierland has always had a bit of a smattering, with Tom Sawyer in the 1840s, Big Thunder in the 1890s, Splash somewhere in Reconstruction (~1860-1900), and Country Bears possibly occurring in the 1920s working forward from the 1898 founding, assuming it’s meant to be interpreted that way.

 

[erasure fan1]

Is there an example of a good ride that failed because it was put in the wrong area?

So just throw standards out the window? No one ride is going to fail because it didn't fit a theme. People pay 5, 6, 8, 10 grand on a vacation to Disney. No one is going to say, sorry I'm not riding frozen because it doesn't take place in Norway! You pay top dollar to be there, if they throw a bare framed coaster like at SeaWorld in the middle of animal kingdom, it's going to be popular, I guarantee it doesn't fail. But that doesn't make it the right decision. Heck, if they put 7D mine train in animal kingdom its still popular and doesn't "fail". They are devaluing the brand by becoming just another hodge podge of rides in a park. And time will tell if the prices they are asking will be worth it for the quality being given. They've already lost our yearly trips, and I doubt I'm the only one.

 

[Bocabear]

I think the bigger leap here is from a human world to a purely cartoon world...to me that leap is more jarring than anything else...With the amount of realism and detail in Big Thunder and Tiana, along with the entire riverefront, to then all of the sudden be in a landscape of stylized car parts inhabited by living automobiles it pretty terrible....

 

[October82]

So just throw standards out the window? No one ride is going to fail because it didn't fit a theme. People pay 5, 6, 8, 10 grand on a vacation to Disney. No one is going to say, sorry I'm not riding frozen because it doesn't take place in Norway! You pay top dollar be there, if they throw a bare framed coaster like at SeaWorld in the middle of animal kingdom, it's going to be popular, I guarantee it doesn't fail. But that doesn't make it the right decision. Heck, if they put 7D mine train in animal kingdom it’s still popular and doesn't "fail". They are devaluing the brand by becoming just another hodge podge of rides in a park. And time will tell if the prices they are asking will be worth it for the quality being given. They've already lost our yearly trips, and I doubt I'm not the only one.

Just to expand on this a bit - Disney Parks were always more than the sum of their parts. That was the Disney parks brand and it’s what made them different from Universal and even regional amusement parks.

It’s also possible for the parks to be less than the sum of their parts.