MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[TrainsOfDisney]

I'm not sure why you think you understand the message of the park better than its principal designer, either.

If you know me at all from various posts you know that I practically worship Joe, Tony and Kevin.

But zootopia and Mona vs. Indy and Encanto? What are you fighting for?

Plus zootopia is literally moving into the icon of the park so it’s part of the park like it or not.

 

[mickEblu]

Zootopia would destroy the entire thematic integrity of Animal Kingdom, which is probably the best theme park on the planet from just a theme perspective.

The Magic Kingdom has always been a hodgepodge by design. It will be a serious loss to the Frontierland/Liberty Square area, but it won't really affect the rest of the park. A Zootopia area at Animal Kingdom would be a massive hit to the park as a whole.

I have to disagree with this. Dinoland and Pandora were made to work because the lands that organize them were smartly conceptualized to do so. I won't pretend I liked most of Dinoland, but they used the broader storytelling within it to align everything with the park's unifying message. We don't know for sure if that will be the case with IJ and Encanto, but there is at least hope with Pueblo Esperanza tying things together.

Zootopia, on the other hand, was just a completely disconnected ride oriented a bit behind and to the side of an equally disconnected pair of Moana rides. It also would have likely re-used the Dinosaur ride system, which makes me think it would have focused on content similar to the ride in Shanghai.

Again in one scenario the issue is not only mostly in our mind but the land can be avoided. The other scenario you lose an integral and cherished part of the park.

 

[Centauri Space Station]

It's wrong, but you are entitled to that opinion.

It’s not, but you’re entitled to your wrong opinion

 

[UNCgolf]

Again in one scenario the issue is not only mostly in our mind but the land can be avoided. The other scenario you lose an integral and cherished part of the park.

This doesn't make any sense. The issue would be no more "in our minds" than losing ROA is.

You're basically arguing in a circle -- that since you don't think it would be as big of a deal, that proves it isn't as big of a deal.

Zootopia at AK would be worse. The Cars ride has a much better chance of actually working there than Zootopia would at AK, and I'm not at all a fan of replacing ROA with Cars.

 

[Agent H]

It’s not, but you’re entitled to your wrong opinion View attachment 845284

Style wise neither look good but the 90s one had innovations and mouse gear so 90s Epcot wins

 

[James Alucobond]

If you know me at all from various posts you know that I practically worship Joe, Tony and Kevin.

But zootopia and Mona vs. Indy and Encanto? What are you fighting for?

Plus zootopia is literally moving into the icon of the park so it’s part of the park like it or not.

Again in one scenario the issue is not only mostly in our mind but can be avoided. The other scenario you lose an integral and cherished part of the park.

Completely ignoring lands as an organizing principle and just placing three random rides next to each other that don't align with the park mission at all
vs.
Damaging a single land by removing a central organizing feature and replacing it with a ride that, while perhaps suited to the park at large, is not such a great fit for the land in which it's being placed

The worse option is clear. I think this just comes down to the fact that you cherish Magic Kingdom more than Animal Kingdom, which is fine but doesn't reduce the relative offense of the first option.

 

[UNCgolf]

If you know me at all from various posts you know that I practically worship Joe, Tony and Kevin.

But zootopia and Mona vs. Indy and Encanto? What are you fighting for?

Plus zootopia is literally moving into the icon of the park so it’s part of the park like it or not.

Encanto and IJ are 1000x more likely to fit the park than Zootopia ever could, even if I don't have high hopes for Disney's execution. At the very least, the setting won't be disastrous like Zootopia.

Zootopia becoming the new show at the Tree of Life is horrible too, but it's not remotely as bad as throwing down a modern city into Animal Kingdom.

It's hard for me to understand how someone can look at the concept art for Moana/Zootopia vs. the concept art for IJ/Encanto and not think that the latter is light years better for the park than the former.

 

[James Alucobond]

It's hard for me to understand how someone can look at the concept art for Moana/Zootopia vs. the concept art for IJ/Encanto and not think that the latter is light years better for the park than the former.

I could see making the argument that Rivers of America and Tom Sawyer Island are relatively more valuable than Dinoland USA and Dinosaur, meaning that the latter getting deleted for absolutely anything would have been a worthy sacrifice to retain the former, but that was never on the table.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

filling in the water between Dino land and Asia and plopping down Zootopia would be the literal equivalent.

 

[mickEblu]

Completely ignoring lands as an organizing principle and just placing three random rides next to each other that don't align with the park mission at all
vs.
Damaging a single land by removing a central organizing feature and replacing it with a ride that, while perhaps suited to the park at large, is not such a great fit for the land in which it's being placed

The worse option is clear. I think this just comes down to the fact that you cherish Magic Kingdom more than Animal Kingdom, which is fine but doesn't reduce the relative offense of the first option.

It’s very clear and your logic is flawed. Also I’ve never been to either park lol. So I’m pretty unbiased here.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

It's hard for me to understand how someone can look at the concept art for Moana/Zootopia vs. the concept art for IJ/Encanto and not think that the latter is light years better for the park than the former.

Why do you think that?

 

[UNCgolf]

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filling in the water between Dino land and Asia and plopping down Zootopia would be the literal equivalent.

It's not, though.

The Cars concept art is nowhere near as bad for the area as Zootopia at AK.

And again, I'm not remotely a fan of the Cars concept. I think it's a bad idea and a poor fit. As @James Alucobond said above, though, this feels like it's solely about preferring the Magic Kingdom to Animal Kingdom and so bad change there is inherently worse for you.

Personally, I don't even think the Villains land is a good idea, much less Cars. It seems like the kind of thing that sounds great as a concept, but in actual execution is going to be underwhelming/disappointing.

 

[James Alucobond]

filling in the water between Dino land and Asia and plopping down Zootopia would be the literal equivalent.

It's not the literal equivalent at all.

It’s very clear and your logic is flawed. Also I’ve never been to either park lol. So I’m pretty unbiased here.

Uninformed, then. And please explicate how the logic is flawed instead of just saying so.

 

[UNCgolf]

Why do you think that?

Because the Moana/Zootopia art is just a collection of random rides that don't fit together or tie into anything related to the park, and Zootopia specifically runs counter to literally everything about the park.

The Encanto/IJ attractions themselves may not be good fits, but at least they have facades that work in the park and a surrounding area that should fit the park well, execution pending.

 

[Brer Panther]

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Keep it short and polite.
Do not make suggestions. They immediately discard those emails because they do not be accused of taking you idea.
Do not say what you like about WDW or the MK, just be direct and say you do not want the Rivers Of America to go away.

Didn't work for me when I wrote to them about Splash Mountain. They'll likely just send you a form letter reply.

As far as we know, the Indiana Jones attraction will have a "mythical creature" in the temple, the carousel has animals for various Disney and Pixar movies, and Encanto has Antonio, who can talk to animals in the film, so that's their connection to animals to AK.

The animals in Encanto, I'm pretty sure, aren't major characters - I know they claimed that the attraction would take place on the day Antonio got his power (which is when a good part of the movie takes place, doesn't it? Seems like an excuse to do a book report ride) but that doesn't necessarily mean the attraction will focus on the animals. It's like putting a Mulan attraction in Animal Kingdom because there's a dragon, a dog, a cricket, a horse, and a falcon in the movie... yeah, there are animals, but the film is still about humans.

And does Indiana Jones even fight mythical creatures in the movies?

It's hard for me to understand how someone can look at the concept art for Moana/Zootopia vs. the concept art for IJ/Encanto and not think that the latter is light years better for the park than the former.

Only slightly better. None of those films fit in Animal Kingdom with the possible exception of Zootopia, but I still wouldn't want Dinosaur rethemed to that.

 

[mickEblu]

It's not the literal equivalent at all.

Uninformed, then. And please explicate how the logic is flawed instead of just saying so.

I’m not going to keep repeating myself.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Just so everyone is on the same page…. Here’s the comparison.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Didn't work for me when I wrote to them about Splash Mountain. They'll likely just send you a form letter reply.

Yes, we will all get an auto reply but I am told by an insider they are counting the "Save RoA" emails.
Its worth a try

 

[Chef idea Mickey`=]

Wasn’t Coco supposed to be a variation of Soarin?

I think so, I don't think the boat ride for DCA was intended for Florida...but not sure to confirm. I heard somewhere there's a pad next to Big Thunder where further future you can put the soarin based attraction there on that available space if you wanted to.

 

[Incomudro]

I imagine part of the justification was, "If we don't use the TSI space now, it'll be much harder to access and use in the future when we build Villains. But if we don't use the BBTMRR space now, we can always use it in the future." The idea being 1) this is cheaper, 2) maximizes space, and 3) saves an expansion plot for later.

I agree that is short cited, but I imagine that was part of the argument.

This I actually agree with.
My problem is, there once was a Disney that used to care.
A Disney that wouldn't do certain things, if those things didn't fit the vision of the park.
I'll use the Guardians ride at Epcot for example.
By all rights, a great ride. (though I haven't ridden it yet)
But Disney of 'yore would have said "Cool concept... But you realize we can't construct a giant box clearly visible from many angles in Epcot?
Similarly, they would have said "You know... We can't cram the World Showcase Lagoon with giant barges and screens, no matter how great you think this show will look?
So, yes - there was a Disney of 'yore that would have said "Cool idea to add cars to WDW."
"But we're not going to pave over Rivers of America for it."
I also understand that there are issues with the river, and Disney would rather pave it over than deal with that.
Spend money on that.
Unfortunately this is no longer that Disney of the past.
This is a Disney that puts a static planter where a tremendous fountain was.
This is a Disney that removes an amazing landscaped fountain and rockwork structure in Polly, and sticks a statue there.