MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[James Alucobond]

So that would be been less bad then right? Just one measley Zootopia ride hidden from the rest of the park.

Again, it is that the original AK plans had no stated reason whatsoever for why anything was placed anywhere. There was no announced region of the world, no announced village section, no unifying theme, etc. They weren't even pretending they cared anymore.

Not true at all. Look at the original Epcot, little to no IP. Even MK has Pirate's, Haunted Mansion and Space Mountain that were not IP

I said part of the parks, not the entire experience.

 

[Agent H]

Not true at all. Look at the original Epcot, little to no IP. Even MK has Pirate's, Haunted Mansion and Space Mountain that were not IP

Those are the exceptions not the rule

 

[mickEblu]

Again, it is that the original AK plans had no stated reason whatsoever for why anything was placed anywhere. There was no announced region of the world, no announced village section, no unifying theme, etc. They weren't even pretending they cared anymore.

I said part of the parks, not the entire experience.

Let’s assume the worst - a big modern metropolitan cartoon city mini land and ride are plopped into AK. It’s still less bad than what they re doing at MK. I have to imagine they would have down their best to shield it from the surrounding area with some sort of portal entrance.

Thanks a lot Joe!

 

[Jedi14]

Not true at all. Look at the original Epcot, little to no IP. Even MK has Pirate's, Haunted Mansion and Space Mountain that were not IP

What about the entirety of Fantasyland?

 

[James Alucobond]

Let’s assume the worst - a big modern metropolitan cartoon city mini land and ride are plopped into AK. It’s still less bad than what they re doing at MK. I have to imagine they would have down their best to shield it from the surrounding area with some sort of portal entrance.

It wasn't a miniland. That would have been better, not worse. There would have been some organization to the space. The proposal was that an entire section of the park become a random collection of things without any grounding at all.

 

[mickEblu]

It wasn't a miniland. That would have been better, not worse. There would have been some organization to the space. The proposal was that an entire section of the park become a random collection of things without any grounding at all.

I dunno if I’d want more of a big cartoon metropolitan city in AK but ymmv. I’d want less of it as that would be less risky.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

I dunno if I’d want more of a big cartoon metropolitan city in AK but ymmv. I’d want less of it as that would be less risky.

I don't want any Zootopia in AK - it just doesn't fit the mission statement of the park, etc. ... I think the initial blue sky may have been the worst with a city looking structure as the draw to that area

I think what they are doing is slightly better as it will largely be hidden - but it is also in the icon on the park which may actually make it worse lol

Only way I think I could have gone with it is if they changed up the train and used make it like you were traveling to a separate place, apart from "AK Proper" - and that would fit with a scene in the movie, etc.

 

[Sir_Cliff]

EE exists because Mt. Everest is located in India.

Ahhh, not really...

 

[Jrb1979]

I don't want any Zootopia in AK - it just doesn't fit the mission statement of the park, etc. ... I think the initial blue sky may have been the worst with a city looking structure as the draw to that area

I think what they are doing is slightly better as it will largely be hidden - but it is also in the icon on the park which may actually make it worse lol

Only way I think I could have gone with it is if they changed up the train and used make it like you were traveling to a separate place, apart from "AK Proper" - and that would fit with a scene in the movie, etc.

I find it fascinating how many will defend AK to keep it's original mission statement and at the same time have no issues with removing ROA for an IP that doesn't fit MK.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

I find it fascinating how many will defend AK to keep it's original mission statement and at the same time have no issues with removing ROA for an IP that doesn't fit MK.

I guess I don't see such a concrete mission to the Magic Kingdom that wouldn't enable Cars to fit the same way AK has more of a set and concrete goal

The dedication for the magic kingdom said "May Walt Disney World bring Joy and Inspiration and New Knowledge to all who come to this happy place… a Magic Kingdom where the young at heart of all ages can laugh and play and learn – together."

I don't see how Cars doesn't fit that .... doesn't mean what they are doing is the right thing to do but I don't think it breaks the overall idea and vision of Magic Kingdom the way Zootopia does for Animal Kingdom

 

[Sir_Cliff]

There was no Zootopia land announced. This is the fundamental difference. There was a random Zootopia attraction and a random Moana attraction placed next to one another with no rhyme or reason. There was no organization planned. People were desperately trying to apply their own logic, saying, "Well, maybe it'll be Oceania with a Zootopia alley?" but that was all mental gymnastics. The thematic precedent that would have set was objectively worse than the thematic precedent Cars sets, where there is at least lip service to the existing organizational structure of the park. Now, if you want to talk about the value of what is being replaced instead of how fundamentally broken each concept was, then I think it's perfectly reasonable to say that Rivers of America are almost certainly more valuable than Dinoland, but that's a bit of a different discussion.

I don't want to wade into which one of the two terrible decisions is worse, but I think it really needs to be underlined how terrible the Moana/Zootopia proposal for AK really was. It really is not a toss-up between that proposal and Tropical Americas.

If you just saw the name and artwork for Tropical Americas without knowing the IPs they were using, it would look and sound exactly like a land that could have opened with the rest of the park and I can't imagine anyone would object to it on thematic grounds. It fits the organising principle of the original park and, even once you know the IPs, the potential at least exists for them to design attractions around the relationship between humans and animals.

The Moana/Zootopia proposal just threw all of that out the window to build some rides based on popular IPs. It would be kind of like announcing that Liberty Square was going to be replaced by a Tangled attraction across from an Inside Out mini-land.

 

[mickEblu]

I find it fascinating how many will defend AK to keep it's original mission statement and at the same time have no issues with removing ROA for an IP that doesn't fit MK.

Agreed but I’d change doesn’t fit at MK to doesn’t fit Frontierland/ surrounding area. I don’t think there’s anything inherently about the IP that doesn’t work at MK. Or at least the current version of MK. It’s just where do you place it that feels simpatico with the what’s already there? Beyond Big Thunder would have been the best bet.

 

[Jrb1979]

Agreed but I’d change doesn’t fit at MK to doesn’t fit Frontierland/ surrounding area. I don’t think there’s anything inherently about the IP that doesn’t work at MK. Or at least the current version of MK. It’s just where do you place it that feels simpatico with the what’s already there.

That's my issue with just about everything they plan for new attractions. The attractions themselves look great, just the placement is the problem. Other than AK, they have destroyed any semblance of theme for each park.

 

[JackCH]

I think this debate has about run its course lol.

 

[James Alucobond]

I find it fascinating how many will defend AK to keep it's original mission statement and at the same time have no issues with removing ROA for an IP that doesn't fit MK.

It’s not even about the mission statement at its core, though that is also a problem. It is the idea that the people in charge of designing the parks would completely throw their hands up and say, “Eh, these ‘land’ things are kind of pointless and really limit our ability to throw the IP-du-jour anywhere we want with no rhyme or reason. Let’s just not even think about that this time.” That would have major implications for every single Disney park! And yes, we sometimes feel like things are trending that way regardless, but at least they typically walk through the superficial steps of acting like they care about organization.

 

[Centauri Space Station]

I dunno if I’d want more of a big cartoon metropolitan city in AK but ymmv. I’d want less of it as that would be less risky.

Try to keep an open mind when you visit WDW. You may see MK as a lesser DL and AK as more unique or you may keep your same pov.

 

[mickEblu]

Try to keep an open mind when you visit WDW. You may see MK as a lesser DL and AK as more unique or you may keep your same pov.

I’m almost positive I’ll appreciate AK more. That’s why I said earlier I’m completely unbiased here.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

Try to keep an open mind when you visit WDW. You may see MK as a lesser DL and AK as more unique or you may keep your same pov.

I do think part of that impacts my view of these two changes ... MK is a copy of another park/not unique to Florida where as EPCOT and AK are unique and thus I am more critical to changes at those parks. Like if they were filling in World Showcase Lagoon for Cars Land I would have much more of an issue that filling in the Rivers of America ... just like I would have a much bigger issue with filling in the Rivers of America in Disneyland than at Magic Kingdom

 

[lazyboy97o]

Those are the exceptions not the rule

They weren’t.

 

[Agent H]

They weren’t.

how many original ip rides have been really popular post Epcot because by my count it’s only 6