News Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[Schmidt]

Is it not an E Ticket ride because it's not RSR? Is RSR an E Ticket ride? I didn't know you could tell if something is E Ticket or not without knowing it a brand new ride attraction which we still don't even know the ride system. Will Encanto be an E Ticket because it's Encanto?

I would guess it’s an E ticket ride. With that no one really knows anything. Inthink

Maybe not. I guess all we can do is wait and see.

I can only go on what the leadership has allowed to happen. I know it’s very easy to blame everything on Chapek and the pandemic, but how many years are they going to get out of that excuse.

Who knows, maybe I will happily be proven wrong 8 to 10 years from now when they are finished doing whatever they are going to try to do in the rivers of America.

maybe you.could stand corrected in 5yrs! Just saying it’s possible.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Is RSR an E Ticket ride?

I think it is. Racers, Rise, and Cosmic Rewind are the only recent E tickets in my opinion. (I personally prefer other attractions over cosmic rewind and I think they wasted some money…. But it’s definitely the definition of an e-ticket)

 

[mickEblu]

Disney Fandom: The parks need more C and D Ticket rides.

Also Disney Fandom: This is rubbish because it's not an E Ticket ride!!!

Also NOT Disney Fandom: The Magic Kingdom needs a D ticket to replace the entire Rivers of America.

 

[MisterPenguin]

When people don't care for one of the E Ticket rides, they argue vehemently that it's only a D Ticket.

When people really like a D Ticket ride, they argue vehemently that it's indeed an E Ticket ride.

- M. Pengiun

 

[Schmidt]

That's a pretty low view of our fandom, I think. Surely you're not implying that we can't or shouldn't complain about something until the final product is revealed!? I only ask because there's many here that do think that and I've often wondered, "Why?"

If the glove fits….
There are lots of people making fake arguments to support their fear of losing ROA. Honestly it’s okay to just say we shouldn’t lose ROA. That’s a strong argument. Ridiculous arguments we are hearing instead are we are losing capacity or this ride is going to stink or it’s a C-ticket with E ambitions? Look this is a forum and you are allowed to say what you want , but it just feels like people are losing their minds a bit based off a ton of unknown.

 

[ᗩLᘿᑕ ✨ ᗩζᗩᗰ]

When people don't care for one of the E Ticket rides, they argue vehemently that it's only a D Ticket.

When people really like a D Ticket ride, they argue vehemently that it's indeed an E Ticket ride.

- M. Pengiun

Unless it's TBA, than it's alphabet soup. - Alec Azam

 

[DisneyHead123]

Would be bias and dismissive to assume a criticism isn't worthy of discussion simply because it's a complaint. We are after all a discussion forum. Discourse should be encourage.

I think it’s also salient that this ride is replacing Rivers. If it was on new land off to the side, I think that would be a totally different dynamic.

 

[DisneyHead123]

If the glove fits….
There are lots of people making fake arguments to support their fear of losing ROA. Honestly it’s okay to just say we shouldn’t lose ROA. That’s a strong argument. Ridiculous arguments we are hearing instead are we are losing capacity or this ride is going to stink or it’s a C-ticket with E ambitions? Look this is a forum and you are allowed to say what you want , but it just feels like people are losing their minds a bit based off a ton of unknown.

I’m not understanding this argument. If my husband said he wanted to rip out our kitchen, then yeah, what he wanted to replace it with would have a lot to do with that discussion. If it was a better kitchen, ok. If it was a giant man cave, different story.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Ridiculous arguments we are hearing instead are we are losing capacity or this ride is going to stink or it’s a C-ticket with E ambitions?

I’ve been following pretty closely and I haven’t seen that.

We are losing an iconic transportation attraction that has been featured in all pre-2000 built castle parks. As is the case with all iconic transportation, it tells a story and provides atmosphere and kinetic energy to guests who are not riding it as well.

Capacity wise we are losing all ages capacity - both the riverboat and the island had elements that all ages could enjoy together.

 

[flynnibus]

They aren't autonomous because they arent making routing decisions independantly.

The hardware is practically the same though.

Yeah but in the concept here of what is acceptable risk and the complexity of the failure modes goes up considerably when dealing with independent systems vs a single point of control.

As for my equipment, full speed is 4.5 mph. I know you're googling things but this is my profession.

I’m not googling- I’m just familiar with the application and the design concepts. Part of being a geek and engineer… and someone who studied control systems long ago in my EE days. I never have been involved in the design of such a real world product, but any reasonable engineer can understand the challenges and absorb details about the designs. I mean come on… factory and distribution automation is the subject of every video tour of any facility since the dawn of cable tv

The only thing modern robotic ride vehicles can do without a physical track is go very fast.

And why is that? Because of the safety margins right? It’s a means to mitigate the accumulated risks. And how many of your systems also allow for passengers?

You also enter a whole new level of scrutiny when dealing with the public as customers vs an environment when you can dictate safety training and standards.

 

[Marc Davis Fan]

If this and Villains were added behind RoA, like Galaxy's Edge, with new scenery along the river, you'd have a fraction of the backlash. Or none at all.

The main objection is losing RoA entirely.

Sorry for being unclear: I am well aware of that, and I was not by any means advocating for the current plan (in fact I’m part of the “backlash,” as I think it’s tragic to be losing RoA). I was making the general statement that MK needs “plussing.”

 

[Schmidt]

I’m not understanding this argument. If my husband said he wanted to rip out our kitchen, then yeah, what he wanted to replace it with would have a lot to do with that discussion. If it was a better kitchen, ok. If it was a giant man cave, different story.

I’ve been following pretty closely and I haven’t seen that.

We are losing an iconic transportation attraction that has been featured in all pre-2000 built castle parks. As is the case with all iconic transportation, it tells a story and provides atmosphere and kinetic energy to guests who are not riding it as well.

Capacity wise we are losing all ages capacity - both the riverboat and the island had elements that all ages could enjoy together.

I’ve been following a little more closely ….

 

[Gusey]

I’m not understanding this argument. If my husband said he wanted to rip out our kitchen, then yeah, what he wanted to replace it with would have a lot to do with that discussion. If it was a better kitchen, ok. If it was a giant man cave, different story.

It's about framing the complaint. If we say, I hope it's not a slow trackless ride, that's fine. If you say it's going to be bad addition because it'll be a slow trackless ride, that complaining about something we don't even know about the attraction as if it is fact. The first is constructive criticism with the hope that something may be done. The second sounds like complaining for the sake of a complaint

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I’ve been following a little more closely ….

If you’ve been following more closely than me you need to get a life cause I’ve been borderline obsessed! Haha (meaning I need to get a life too )

 

[DisneyHead123]

It's about framing the complaint. If we say, I hope it's not a slow trackless ride, that's fine. If you say it's going to be bad addition because it'll be a slow trackless ride, that complaining about something we don't even know about the attraction as if it is fact. The first is constructive criticism with the hope that something may be done. The second sounds like complaining for the sake of a complaint

If you think a slow trackless ride is inherently inferior to Rivers, that’s like saying you’re ripping out your kitchen to put in… I don’t know, in this case I’ll make it an experimental paint splatter art studio.

Some small percentage of people might be good with that, sure. Most would say “You touch my granite countertops, and so help me…” Whereas, again, a better kitchen is a totally different story. Same could be said regarding the perceived quality of Disney’s work recently. If your spouse wants to hire their buddy down the street to help remodel, yeah, his or her track record will come up in the discussion.

 

[Disstevefan1]

maybe you.could stand corrected in 5yrs! Just saying it’s possible.

I can guarantee the cars area will not be open 5 years from now.

What folks don’t understand, they are not starting on flat virgin land (like they have plenty of) it will take a lot of time to destroy, clear and fill in the rivers of America. BEFORE they even try try to build whatever they are trying to build.

It took about 7 years to build Pandora at AK remember.

Let’s say for argument sake they manage to open something in the rivers of America area 5 years from now, I can guarantee it won’t look like the concept drawings presented recently.

Will the alleged cars attraction work reliably in Florida weather with daily 3PM rainstorms? Probably not.

This is a train wreck and TWDC does not even see it coming.

 

[Schmidt]

I’ve been following a little more closely ….

If you’ve been following more closely than me you need to get a life cause I’ve been borderline obsessed! Haha (meaning I need to get a life too )

lol. That’s a good point. Not what I meant. I pick up quickly on peoples sentiments.

 

[el_super]

I can guarantee the cars area will not be open 5 years from now.

Why? It took about 3 years to build Galaxy's Edge at Disneyland and that also required demo and rebuilding of a large portion of the ROA. I suppose 4 years if you want to count the time between announcement and construction starting.

Is there a dearth of construction works in Florida? Seems like they should be freed up after Epic opens.

 

[ᗩLᘿᑕ ✨ ᗩζᗩᗰ]

I can guarantee the cars area will not be open 5 years from now.

What folks don’t understand, they are not starting on flat virgin land (like they have plenty of) it will take a lot of time to destroy, clear and fill in the rivers of America. BEFORE they even try try to build whatever they are trying to build.

It took about 7 years to build Pandora at AK remember.

Let’s say for argument sake they manage to open something in the rivers of America area 5 years from now, I can guarantee it won’t look like the concept drawings presented recently.

Will the alleged cars attraction work reliably in Florida weather with daily 3PM rainstorms? Probably not.

This is a train wreck and TWDC does not even see it coming.

ROA isn't some crazy deep fill. It's not going to take that long.

 

[flyerjab]

I can guarantee the cars area will not be open 5 years from now.

What folks don’t understand, they are not starting on flat virgin land (like they have plenty of) it will take a lot of time to destroy, clear and fill in the rivers of America. BEFORE they even try try to build whatever they are trying to build.

It took about 7 years to build Pandora at AK remember.

Let’s say for argument sake they manage to open something in the rivers of America area 5 years from now, I can guarantee it won’t look like the concept drawings presented recently.

Will the alleged cars attraction work reliably in Florida weather with daily 3PM rainstorms? Probably not.

This is a train wreck and TWDC does not even see it coming.

Soooo…..construction on Pandora started January 2014 and it debuted in May 2017. So not 7 years for actual construction. Hyperbole at its finest.