TrainsOfDisney
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I disagree with that as well and that’s okIt is very clearly designed for the space in Frontierland even if you disagree with the time period and thematic fit.
I disagree with that as well and that’s okIt is very clearly designed for the space in Frontierland even if you disagree with the time period and thematic fit.
As someone who deploys and is a system designer for autonomous mobile robots, the can be done outdoors easily enough. Just depends on speed and reliability.There are autonomous driving vehicles today too... yet you're not going to find Disney operating them as an attraction. Just because a ride company has shown concepts doesn't make it viable nor up to the scrutiny of an operator to put it into use.
Note that article is from 2017 - 7 years ago and no actual installations of it. Coincidence???
Disney's language says "race across."
They don't say "high speed."
I'm actually concerned these vehicles are simply going to plod along at kiddy safe speeds.
I never said it was the exact same concept - obviously we don’t know how this thing actually developed. It is a similar size space and I could see the concept working there - especially if they wanted to recreate the transition that works so well in California.I just don't know why you think they'd pick an ill-fitting national forest theme in Tomorrowland
That's what I assumed and was responding to based on your earlier comment about Piston Peak perhaps being intended as a transitional element between Fantasyland and Tomorrowland—that you expected the same setting and concept. That's what I disagree with, not that Cars has been considered for the Speedway in the past. I don't think this is a lift-and-shift of advanced-stage plans.I never said it was the exact same concept
Its always been true. MK is inferior to DL in everything except physical scale.And why do you think that is?
Toad? What else? (excluding RoA and TSI).Why does MK lose the things DLR still has?
Both are true for DLR as well.Why have entertainment and character meet and greets been reduced to the bare minimum? Why did all the unique stores close?
Excluding times when there were extenuating circumstances (post 9/11 and post great recession), it really hasn't.Why has the park gone long stretches without major investment?
Same at DL.Why is there abandoned retail and dining space?
Actually worse at DL.Why did they never finish what they started with Tomorrowland?
Disneyland also has show issues, but mostly off attraction.Why is attraction show quality so bad?
Because people show up no matter what. Thats why. Its not that hard to figure out.The Magic Kingdom just needing to be good enough to get people in the door is the result of a permanent change in mindset that has lasted for decades now.
It should be exciting and wonderful that the park is getting attention, but it misses what made the park in the first place.
Characters meets and entertainment are much more abundant in Disneyland Park vs. Magic Kingdom. Yes there have been cuts at DL, but MK is indeed operating close to the bare minimum at this point.Both are true for DLR as well.
What dining venues? Only one that I know of is BBQ and that was replaced with a QS in galaxies edge.Same at DL.
I don't think they'd have any qualms with those speeds on the straightaway sections.Whatever speed those vehicles may be capable of, I'd seriously doubt that Disney would allow a trackless outdoor vehicle like that approach such speeds.
Seems like some serious problems would happen should things go wrong.
Maybe there are different speeds depending where what place you're at. I would assume the biggest race speed be when flat racing straight like TT or RSR or just turn moments. Perhaps the thrill of this attraction is the unknown of when you'll be pushed to high speeds or not making wanting to hold on to the vehicle even in those cliffs more so than Test Track inside.Yes, off roading is mostly done at a slow pace.
Even a crawl.
Though this ride is supposed to be a Rallye Race, and those racers are fast.
To me, the scale is what dooms the Disneyland experience. Far too condensed for anything to feel immersive. Feels like I’m in a cute, miniature version of a theme park, with no space or transitions — and that’s saying something given MK brings in more people. Would rather lose some of the rides to have more inmersionMK is inferior to DL in everything except physical scale.
Interesting. Which specific transitions would you say are more abrupt at Disneyland compared to Magic Kingdom?To me, the scale is what dooms the Disneyland experience. Far too condensed for anything to feel immersive. Feels like I’m in a cute, miniature version of a theme park, with no space or transitions — and that’s saying something given MK brings in more people. Would rather lose some of the rides to have more inmersion
As someone who deploys and is a system designer for autonomous mobile robots, the can be done outdoors easily enough. Just depends on speed and reliability.
The autonomous driving vehicles you think you are referencing are not what they would do here.
Nothing in this system would be autonomous, it would be an AGV.
For those who want to say “some people don’t like change” - and “modern cars can fit fomrtierland” - here’s some thoughts from Joe Rohde -
“The real world is brutally amoral and relentless in its rate of destruction and replacement. There are few refuges from this assault. Theme parks, at their best, can be such places, secular though they are. People step out of the chaos and into an ordered ceremonial world where time is arrested. Beloved important moments are re-enacted in a space that is outside of history.
That's why it's such a shock when time intrudes, either with changes, or more tellingly with new events that are too anchored in contemporary relevance.”
To this end, I feel like the Josh D’Amaro approach of announcing attractions once everything has been cleared feels much more slimy than just announcing them when they’re blue sky, as it gives the impression there’s no way we can change their minds and no way to tell when they’ll come about and replace things. (Still not as slimy as how they replaced ODL Scary Adventures at least, but maybe in the future they’ll go down to that level). It’s probably the sliminess of it all that has so many people angry.
Yes, I was thinking the same thing.Maybe there are different speeds depending where what place you're at. I would assume the biggest race speed be when flat racing straight like TT or RSR or just turn moments. Perhaps the thrill of this attraction is the unknown of when you'll be pushed to high speeds or not making wanting to hold on to the vehicle even in those cliffs more so than Test Track inside.
Tons of DL dining areas have turned into shops, been absorbed by other restaurants or abandoned https://duchessofdisneyland.com/tag/closed-disneyland-dining/What dining venues? Only one that I know of is BBQ and that was replaced with a QS in galaxies edge.
Uh, yeah, that's not the purpose of D23. It's not a fan advisory council for what rides go where, what IP is or isn't used, and what gets preserved. There is nothing "slimy" about it. It's a series of announcements. You are not entitled to a say in the design process, nor would it be good for most fans to have any real say if most of the suggestions you see out in the ether are any indication. Your opportunity to effect change is when you opt to either consume or not consume Disney's product, or when you take advantage of one of the many ways to submit feedback, which they, as a for-profit company, will either take into consideration or ignore based on what they think is best for their bottom line.To this end, I feel like the Josh D’Amaro approach of announcing attractions once everything has been cleared feels much more slimy than just announcing them when they’re blue sky, as it gives the impression there’s no way we can change their minds and no way to tell when they’ll come about and replace things. (Still not as slimy as how they replaced ODL Scary Adventures at least, but maybe in the future they’ll go down to that level). It’s probably the sliminess of it all that has so many people angry.
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