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britain

britain

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As Star Trek demonstrates, a frontier is a place where none have gone before. A place with resources to use to better your life.

A national park where plenty of tourists regularly visit, and is protected against development is the opposite of a frontier.

Entrepreneurial Tiana fits the name “Frontierland” better than Cars off-road rally.

But they don’t care. These are the guys that came up with Disney Adventure World.
 
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celluloid

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CoasterCowboy67 said:
Route 66 runs through what is considered the American Frontier. Absolutely. That is the American West - California, New Mexico, Arizona, Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, etc. A national park in the American West is exactly emblematic of the Frontier — wild, unexplored mountains, deserts, forests, and plains far away from people’s “home base” of the 13 colonies (which includes Georgia / Song of the South, and thus why that is the literal opposite of the Frontier)

I’m worried people here think Frontier = the “country” which includes the South. That is so wrong. Maybe the Country Bears name is confusing them 😅
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A national park is preserved and post frontier. We'll designated to be visited rather then explored and forged and is post westward expansion.
That is also what makes this and Route 66 opposite to the theme.

People soneintes get confused and think the frontier is the only the west. It's westward. Once it is all explored, it would just be called The Wild West. It's especially west, but not only the west.

The ultimate figure of the Frontier evokation is The King of The Wild Frontier. The mythos of the real Davy Crockett. Born on a mountain top in Tennessee and everything happens westward from there before it is explored. King of the wild frontier.

Route 66 is Americana, but not frontier. It us capitalized tourism pre interstate highway.
A designated system to get to a national park in Cali, you can't get less The Frontier than that.

Country for CBJ is was staged as live tribute to the frontier, it's characters are from FL to Idaho. It's issue you have with it, is the show was meta.
 
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celluloid

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MisterPenguin said:
It's true that an IP doesn't guarantee a ride's "success." But it can be an initial draw for people to try it out. And it can keep an IP alive so that it doesn't fall down the memory hole along with Bing Bong. And in doing so, it can keep a franchise going.

So, the main reason to use IP is monetizing synergy.

Just like Walt wanted...

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Monetizing it and what to use it for are separate things. And execs show no moderation nor balance.
 
JD80

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MisterPenguin said:
It's true that an IP doesn't guarantee a ride's "success." But it can be an initial draw for people to try it out. And it can keep an IP alive so that it doesn't fall down the memory hole along with Bing Bong. And in doing so, it can keep a franchise going.

So, the main reason to use IP is monetizing synergy.

Just like Walt wanted...

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But Walt never thought about money!
 
el_super

el_super

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Bocabear said:
How on earth does Cars fit into Frontierland....I mean seriously... It is tonally quite wrong....
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For all the people saying it doesn't fit into Frontierland... what do you think was the final verdict on Cars fitting into California Adventure? I remember people being quite vocal that it didn't fit since most of the movie takes place in Utah/Arizona.

Or what about the final verdict on Pandora fitting into Animal Kingdom?

Or Frozen fitting into Epcot? Or Nemo?

We're five, ten, fifteen years past some of these massive tonal shifts so we should have seen some measurable impact on them in park attendance right? I mean, if it really mattered at all.
 
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CoasterCowboy67

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britain said:
As Star Trek demonstrates, a frontier is a place where none have gone before. A place with resources to use to better your life.

A national park where plenty of tourists regularly visit, and is protected against development is the opposite of a frontier.

Entrepreneurial Tiana fits the name “Frontierland” better than Cars off-road rally.

But they don’t care. These are the guys that came up with Disney Adventure World.
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The American Frontier wasn’t a place none had gone before — Native Americans lived there for centuries

It was extreme wilderness from the experience of people living in the 13 colonies. There was promise of land, gold, etc. but also taller mountains, deeper canyons, desserts, sickness, and dangers unlike anything they were used to. National Parks in the West today exist to protect these environments so that we can experience them as close as they did centuries ago. National Parks honor and celebrate the American Frontier far more than Big Thunder Mountain.

The fact you want to highlight Tiana’s conceptual exploration (“Entrepreneurial” - lol what?) rather than physical or geographic exploration (Cars off-road vehicles through the Frontier wilderness) makes clear you’re determined to make the former work with a contrived view and reject the latter’s far more obvious connection. Going “off road” to the back-country of California or Oregon or Wyoming is allowing us to engage with wilderness far more than helping Tiana find musicians for her New Orleans restaurant
 
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TrainsOfDisney

TrainsOfDisney

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el_super said:
We're five, ten, fifteen years past some of these massive tonal shifts so we should have seen some measurable impact on them in park attendance right? I mean, if it really mattered at all.
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you do know that “business” and theme park design are 2 different things correct?

Not saying they both aren’t real but you seem to just be arguing business facts.

A Deadpool store on Main Street would sell plenty of merch - the spreadsheet will prove it I’m certain.
 
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el_super

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TrainsOfDisney said:
you do know that “business” and theme park design are 2 different things correct?
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They are not. Theme parks have to make money to justify their existence. Theme parks make money by making people happy. You can't ignore that when tonal changes have occurred in the parks in the past, they have largely been successful and made Disney lots of money.

It really calls into question how important something "fitting" into the area really is.
 
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celluloid

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el_super said:
Moderation? Walt put the Mike Fink Keelboats in Disneyland, to advertise the TV show, which was based on Disneyland. There has never been moderation.
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Yeah, Davy Crockett was the biggest pop culture phenomenon of the time and his company, yet still not Davy Crockett only land. Nice try to spin(and marty) that.
 
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Quietmouse

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britain said:
As Star Trek demonstrates, a frontier is a place where none have gone before. A place with resources to use to better your life.

A national park where plenty of tourists regularly visit, and is protected against development is the opposite of a frontier.

Entrepreneurial Tiana fits the name “Frontierland” better than Cars off-road rally.

But they don’t care. These are the guys that came up with Disney Adventure World.
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You do realize millions of American have never visited the west right? Likewise, off road vehicles are fun and something that people frequently do when go visit Colorado, and other mountain towns.

By that logic it’s a resource to better the quality of your life.

The west and off roading is very synonymous with the frontier as millennials and gen x view it today.
 
Ayla

Ayla

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CoasterCowboy67 said:
Route 66 runs through what is considered the American Frontier. Absolutely. That is the American West - California, New Mexico, Arizona, Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, etc. A national park in the American West is exactly emblematic of the Frontier — wild, unexplored mountains, deserts, forests, and plains far away from people’s “home base” of the 13 colonies (which includes Georgia / Song of the South, and thus why that is the literal opposite of the Frontier)

I’m worried people here think Frontier = the “country” which includes the South. That is so wrong. Maybe the Country Bears name is confusing them 😅
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I'm quite well-versed on what the real frontier is, thank you. Route 66 isn't it.

Our education system sadly has been proven to be abysmal.
 
el_super

el_super

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celluloid said:
Yeah, Davy Crockett was the biggest pop culture phenomenon of the time and his company, yet still not Davy Crockett only land. Nice try to spin(and marty) that.
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Moving the goalposts? Is this the qualification for excess here now? Having an entire land based on one IP? Is that what we're going to litigate against today? What a crime.
 
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CoasterCowboy67

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celluloid said:
A national park is preserved and post frontier. We'll designated to be visited rather then explored and forged and is post westward expansion.
That is also what makes this and Route 66 opposite to the theme.

People soneintes get confused and think the frontier is the only the west. It's westward. Once it is all explored, it would just be called The Wild West. It's especially west, but not only the west.

The ultimate figure of the Frontier evokation is The King of The Wild Frontier. The mythos of the real Davy Crockett. Born on a mountain top in Tennessee and everything happens westward from there before it is explored. King of the wild frontier.

Route 66 is Americana, but not frontier. It us capitalized tourism pre interstate highway.
A designated system to get to a national park in Cali, you can't get less The Frontier than that.

Country for CBJ is was staged as live tribute to the frontier, it's characters are from FL to Idaho. It's issue you have with it, is the show was meta.
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National Parks preserve the American Frontier as it was in the days of Wild West exploration. Without them who knows how much we would have lost to development by now. Maybe our best chance to experience the Frontier would have been Disney’s Big Thunder Mountain. Luckily, National Parks have protected far more authentic experiences and wilderness without us having to do the literal forging of new land.

Again, people are paralyzed on a time definition of the frontier, the time when Westward expansion was new to people in the 13 colonies, and not the geography / environment they encountered which National Parks today have preserved the best they can. Tiana is neither. Splash Mountain was neither. Disney has at least made clear with Cars they’ve chosen the latter as the direction for the land, and it’s incredibly appropriate

Route 66 isn’t even where this Cars land is taking place, so I don’t get the repeated reference? The Cars universe, and the concept of vehicles with eyes, is shown to be Global in the series. So not sure why we seem to think we’re getting Radiator Springs when Disney made clear we’re not. Even still, Route 66 is at least geographically located in the Frontier, so still more relevant than Splash Mountain
 

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